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HighFive

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Posted - 09/16/2018 :  18:19:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Parents of high schoolers..how important is fall ball? As the parent of a 2 sport athlete who will be in high school next year, how do you juggle conflicting tournament/other sport schedules? How big of an effect does it have on spring placement assuming the kid is a very good player? Did you have to give up your 2nd sport and if so what year? I'm talking about not being able to play baseball on sundays in the fall.

CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/17/2018 :  12:38:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can play football in the fall and baseball in the Spring. Eventually he will likely pick one over the other and I've seen the decision go both ways. No one in the high school forced these kids to pick, their bodies did. One shaped up into a better football player who needs to gain mass, which isn't good for a baseball body. The other was becoming one of the smaller football kids and while he was being recruited with duel offers, the time consuming reality of two high level sports was just too much, so he chose baseball.

Only the kid can really decide which is best for him. Being on a college team is a 40 hour a week job, there won't be time for both. Football is generally a 100% scholarship, and baseball is more like 0-25%...so that plays heavily into some folks decisions. There will always be a spring team needing a good player. I know several high level players that have given up fall ball in favor of college camps and national events. Playing baseball in the fall is a luxury, but it's not a necessity.
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hshuler

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Posted - 09/17/2018 :  14:05:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, what’s the end goal? College scholly? If so, which sport or both?

I have my thoughts but it depends on your answers.
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HighFive

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Posted - 09/18/2018 :  08:25:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The second sport is not football. Goal is ability to continue playing a sport at the collegiate level. He loves them both. He is for now a smaller kid so if baseball doesn't work out we would hate to forfeit the 2nd sport for fall baseball, but worried if we forefeit fall travel ball freshman year it will affect where he ends up in spring, or if he will make his high school team (super competitve HS). Your experiences? Scholarship would be icing on the cake for either but not necessary. Goal is to play.

Edited by - HighFive on 09/18/2018 09:12:03
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hshuler

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Posted - 09/18/2018 :  11:07:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would encourage him to play both. Fall ball “can” be good for development but it really depends the type of competition that he would be facing and development that his organization provides.

I don’t believe that you get “left behind” if you don’t play in the fall. So, let him enjoy playing both until he’s forced to choose, if at all.
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SuperStar

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Posted - 09/18/2018 :  12:02:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HighFive, I'm going to chime in on this topic. Now is the time for your son to choose his sport that he will have the best chance at making the collegiate level. You can help by telling him your honest opinion on which sport he is better at. He needs to pursue that sport and never look back. It is extremely competitive and hard enough to make it as it is in one sport. That's just the way it is! Only if he has uncanny ability and is another "Bo Jackson", than yeah sure play two sports. That's just the reality of it. You do have a couple more years to decide assuming he is 14 years old. At 16U, Fall baseball is HUGE!!! It's all about the exposure and the player. A very critical time for finding their identity in the baseball world.
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/18/2018 :  12:28:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree, you don't get left behind if you take fall off. My son tried to play both 9th grade football and fall ball. Even with the baseball coaches understanding that he would be late to practice it was a grueling schedule.

In my opinion, taking off 6 months to play another sport is helpful to their arms. If you are worried about making the high school team then spend the money you would have on fall ball on private lessons in december getting him ready for January High School baseball.
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/18/2018 :  15:29:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SuperStar

HighFive, I'm going to chime in on this topic. Now is the time for your son to choose his sport that he will have the best chance at making the collegiate level. You can help by telling him your honest opinion on which sport he is better at. He needs to pursue that sport and never look back. It is extremely competitive and hard enough to make it as it is in one sport. That's just the way it is! Only if he has uncanny ability and is another "Bo Jackson", than yeah sure play two sports. That's just the reality of it. You do have a couple more years to decide assuming he is 14 years old. At 16U, Fall baseball is HUGE!!! It's all about the exposure and the player. A very critical time for finding their identity in the baseball world.



Superstar and I have a difference of opinion on 16u fall baseball. At most there are what 4 events in fall ball for 16u? How many weekends in october will kids be at camps at the school? Half of september the college coaches can't even watch kids play because of the quiet period....summer before junior year is where most people are seen unless you are the bo jackson super stud mentioned earlier.
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SuperStar

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Posted - 09/18/2018 :  22:18:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can agree with the above as mentioned with not as many scouts or coaches are available for watching in the Fall. The importance I was stressing is by 16U, the days are coming to an end playing more than one sport. At least if you are serious about trying to play in college. Of coarse these players have until they graduate to get a scholarship or get recognized by college coaches. But their best chance is during about a 12 month window from the time they turn 16. So, in reality, these players need to make an appearance as much as possible during the 12 month window. And that means it starts with 16U Fall ball. Just food for thought.

Edited by - SuperStar on 09/18/2018 22:54:49
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/19/2018 :  08:20:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way, that was supposed to say summer before your senior year is when it's most important to be seen. I don't have the statistics, but I would estimate 80+% of scholarships are offered from december junior year to december senior year.

So, until a kid grows into his body and into his true thoughts on the matter, playing both sports is just fine.
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743

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Posted - 09/19/2018 :  10:23:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I say play both sports as long as you can. At some point you have to choose but if a coach is good he will let you do both, just give 100% of your time during that season, once it's over move to the other sport. Mine played 3 for a couple of years, then moved to 2 sports. Good HS player in all 3. Problem was the one he dropped would have been his best chance to play in college.
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hshuler

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Posted - 09/19/2018 :  10:59:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 743

I say play both sports as long as you can. At some point you have to choose but if a coach is good he will let you do both, just give 100% of your time during that season, once it's over move to the other sport. Mine played 3 for a couple of years, then moved to 2 sports. Good HS player in all 3. Problem was the one he dropped would have been his best chance to play in college.



+1
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T13

257 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2018 :  12:24:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not important at all! You never have to choose....play football in the fall and baseball in the spring. Most college coaches prefer two sport players. Fall ball is not the recruiting hot bed some on this board want you to believe. Heck depending on the high school size some even play basketball and guess what...if they are good enough they will get some type of college offer in one of the sports. There is a place to play for everyone.

Mine signed a D1 baseball scholarship but he still says there is no way he would give up Friday Nights in the fall!
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HighFive

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Posted - 09/19/2018 :  15:09:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks so much everyone! We were leaning towards skipping freshman fall to pursue the 2nd sport...makes me feel alot better about it being ok to do that.
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norcrossdevilsball99

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Posted - 09/19/2018 :  22:47:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is silly. Close friends with an MLB scout and a couple of assistant college coaches one of those at a top 40 type program. All of them will tell you they love players that play basketball, football or both. If you feel like your kid has to do all sorts of unnatural stuff like playing 1 sport starting at 13 just to be pretty good on some High school team, fact of the matter is he isn’t a good enough athlete to be a prospect anyways.

Let em play other sports. Teams, coaches that don’t support this are short sighted, insecure or just stupid.
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SuperStar

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Posted - 09/20/2018 :  08:32:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is not about kids playing multiple sports if it is right or wrong. Don't misunderstand the concept. The fact of the matter is, it is great hand eye coordination for them to play multiple sports as they are growing up. The point I was making, "IF" they want to have the best chance of playing in college, then by the time they are 16, they need to focus on the sport they are better at. That is all I was saying. It doesn't mean they can't play 2 sports in high school. From what I have seen in high school, at some point the football and baseball practices over lap each other. So it's hard for them to give 100% full dedication to both sports at that particular time period. Either way, if folks want to let their kids play 2-3 sports in high school then go for it. To each their own.

The original post stated: How important is Fall ball?

The answer is really quite simple if you think about it.

It depends what your son's goal are. I'll leave it at that.

Edited by - SuperStar on 09/20/2018 09:18:05
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Critical Mass

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Posted - 09/20/2018 :  11:24:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If he is a smaller kid, unless he is incredibly gifted or super fast he wont see the field in football (if team is any good or a larger school) so baseball could be safe haven to develop. What sport is he better at and which one does he LOVE? I know several kids who played both but they weren't small and they were very good at both. Smaller schools tends to play kids both ways though.

If he isnt sure about college and playing either sport, let him have fun, play fall ball and HS ball and do both sports if that is his desire. If he develops and gets markedly better then take a route that gives him the best chance to reach his goals.

Some baseball coaches are against fall travel if they have a fall schedule but most understand the level is better in travel in the fall. Heck some are better in the spring. lol

good luck to your son, keep the board updated with his progress.
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743

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Posted - 09/25/2018 :  13:04:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hard to play QB in Football and Baseball, most HS coaches want you doing 7 on 7 or QB Camps, so that is a tough one. I think colleges like multisport athletes but most HS coaches want them all to themselves and their team, until you get hurt then they throw you aside and go with the next one in line.
That is what bothers me the most.
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HighFive

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Posted - 09/27/2018 :  13:02:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The second sport is NOT football, which means, unlike football, he would not be able to play baseball most Sundays.
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