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bama21
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 Posted - 11/14/2018 : 06:47:30
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I see where a Georgia kid is making his commitment decision today and he is doing what the football players commonly do, make the decision a public event.
I guess it is ok, as long as he let the college coaches know ahead of time. My son talked to 3 of the teams involved in this and my take away from their programs is that they can't be happy with this.
I have never seen this done is baseball before, have I missed something?
Is this what will become the norm now in baseball too? |
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hshuler
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Posted - 11/14/2018 : 08:17:21
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| I don’t think it’s the norm but I wish the kid the best. |
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Southside Boys
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Posted - 11/14/2018 : 11:20:52
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all the time and effort this kid has put into this sport, I see nothing wrong with it
let him have his 5 mins of fame. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2018 : 13:38:09
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Like any subject on this board there will be varying opinions. This has nothing to do with the kid, just the process. Also, most coaches want the attention brought to the program, not an individual player. Individualism isn't usually tolerated on well coached teams and that's why a lot of teams don't have players names on their jerseys.
Again, if the coaches were told and didn't have a problem with it, then so be it. However, I would say that most would not like it.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2018 : 15:20:30
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| It's not usually done in baseball....as of right now. However, the whole sport seems to be shifting to a ME ME ME sports, instead of a team sport. You see it even in MLB. Some clubs have standards, some clubs just want you to show up. Look at a Yankee....Look at a Met....it's not like the geography is different, but the team appearance sure is! |
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BlueDevilBaseball
68 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2018 : 19:54:51
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| A kid signing should be celebrated. That's a great accomplishment and they're going to college to get a degree. Why the hell wouldn't we celebrate that? Signing parties are common in all sports now. How "big" those signing day events are probably just depends on how much their community celebrates along with the family. |
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bigroc19
158 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2018 : 21:50:15
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| @bluedevil..great point..not sure about anyone else but i will be throwing a bash for Roc next year. |
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SuperStar
257 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2018 : 22:35:08
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Originally posted by BlueDevilBaseball
A kid signing should be celebrated. That's a great accomplishment and they're going to college to get a degree. Why the hell wouldn't we celebrate that? Signing parties are common in all sports now. How "big" those signing day events are probably just depends on how much their community celebrates along with the family.
I agree.., If folks can't be happy about that, well then I don't know what they are in it for to begin with.
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 06:50:49
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I believe you are missing what the intentions were, it wasn't a signing party exclusively, which should be celebrated and every kid does that, if not at school, then at home.
My point, again, was to draw attention to the process of choosing a school being put on display (NOT SIGNING). Typically, in baseball, the choosing of a school has been done privately and the signing process is done publicly. I still say most baseball coaches will frown upon this and many players on the team that is chosen will as well.
With that said, you do what you feel is best for your kid and I will be the last one to tell someone else what is best for their child.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 09:33:02
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Yes, they missed the point. We aren't talking about a party, or the NLI signing, those are awesome in their own way.
We are talking about....have you guys seen the music video type announcement some football players put on? Where they show 3 or 4 schools and at the end put on the cap of the school they plan on attending? That is how they announce their intention to the coaches that have offered.
Baseball going that route would be a bad idea in my opinion. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 11:01:06
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Ultimately and going forward, this will be a personal choice made by whomever the player is and their family. However, at a minimum, I would ask the schools involved for permission and I would also ask my advisor (if you have one).
Some will say what is the harm in doing this and the answer is, it depends on others perspectives. Some coaches and pro scouts could see this as self-serving and that could raise questions about your character. You don't want to be on anyone's list for the wrong reasons. |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 12:06:44
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| bama21 you have a link or video? I want to see it. |
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Teeillz
12 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 12:58:59
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| Curious.... why do you think it’s detrimental to baseball? |
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bigroc19
158 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 13:08:22
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Get out the 1970s...its a new age..The music videos are awesome...lolquote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Yes, they missed the point. We aren't talking about a party, or the NLI signing, those are awesome in their own way.
We are talking about....have you guys seen the music video type announcement some football players put on? Where they show 3 or 4 schools and at the end put on the cap of the school they plan on attending? That is how they announce their intention to the coaches that have offered.
Baseball going that route would be a bad idea in my opinion.
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Teeillz
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Posted - 11/15/2018 : 13:08:51
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| Curious.... why do you think it’s detrimental to baseball? |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 14:20:20
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When you make anything all about YOU, then people will start to question your motives.
If you are ok with it, then let your kid do it and see what happens. |
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SuperStar
257 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 16:58:47
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| I get what you are saying. The normal is to privately accept an offer from a college and then upon signing day go public with it. I guess at the end of the day, this kid was excited about it and couldn't wait. I do agree as far as - I wouldn't want to boast too much and create bad attention. But nothing wrong with celebrating and being excited about it. |
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Teeillz
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Posted - 11/15/2018 : 18:26:09
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| He thanked his family, thanked his coaches, thanked everyone that was a part of the process, thanked the coaches that were recruiting him, not sure how it’s “all about him”. I watched it and I thought it was cool. These kids WORK HARD, grind, and are chasing their dreams, nothing wrong with having a celebratory moment about going to college and sharing a very special moment with those who want to share in that moment. In one breath people complain that baseball is losing the heart of the youth, then we condem the youth for doing things their way. I’ve seen this kid play, interacted with him and his family and they are all top notch. If anyone chooses to pre-judge him or his heart off of a video, they may need to take a deeper look at themselves than projecting their inability to accept change into a child. |
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Teeillz
12 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2018 : 18:44:36
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Oh
And no one has articulated how a video of a child saying where he’s going to college is bad for the sport of baseball. That was my original question since the topic asks is it good for baseball. I honestly wanted to know, wasn’t asking for opinions on the kid or suggestions on what I should do with mine. ;-) |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2018 : 06:47:18
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Some things are self explanatory and shouldn't have to be explained.
Read the tweets from the coaches and baseball players that have weighed in on this and that should be explanation enough.
There will never be total agreement on this subject. I will not sway you and you will not sway me, so again, you do what you think is best. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2018 : 08:12:13
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Here is a quote from the UCONN girls basketball head coach and all he does is win championships:
"Forget about playing for the love of the game or to support teammates, he said; too many players are focused on themselves."
"They're allowed to get away with just whatever, and they're always thinking about themselves," he said. "Me, me, me, me, me. 'I didn't score, so why should I be happy?' 'I'm not getting enough minutes; why should I be happy?' That's the world we live in today, unfortunately...."
I am not saying this or any other kid that does this is this type of player, but why would you put doubts in the coaches mind or more importantly, your future teammates. And whether this was done with the purest of intentions or not doesn't matter because people will have their own perceptions and read in to it what they want.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2018 : 10:03:49
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Originally posted by SuperStar
I get what you are saying. The normal is to privately accept an offer from a college and then upon signing day go public with it. I guess at the end of the day, this kid was excited about it and couldn't wait. I do agree as far as - I wouldn't want to boast too much and create bad attention. But nothing wrong with celebrating and being excited about it.
No.
Typically the baseball player will make his decision in private, let the coaches know, then sound out a tweet saying that he is going to continue his education and play baseball at XXX school. This can be done in 8th grade, or senior year...no time period is typical.
What this kid did was what football players do. He made a spectacle of his announcement where it was no longer about the program, or the school, it was about HIM. That's what was wrong. And when he gets to school and there are 50 kids that show up on day one and only 35 are kept, and only 25 go on the road...and he isn't one of them he shouldn't be surprised.
You remember the movie a few good men? UNIT, CORE, GOD, COUNTRY...it's supposed to go like that for baseball too. But this kid changed it to ME, and it's going to blow up spectacularly. I wouldn't be surprised if his scholarship was pulled. College baseball coaches don't want a ME, they want a member of the team. |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2018 : 10:31:54
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by SuperStar
I get what you are saying. The normal is to privately accept an offer from a college and then upon signing day go public with it. I guess at the end of the day, this kid was excited about it and couldn't wait. I do agree as far as - I wouldn't want to boast too much and create bad attention. But nothing wrong with celebrating and being excited about it.
No.
Typically the baseball player will make his decision in private, let the coaches know, then sound out a tweet saying that he is going to continue his education and play baseball at XXX school. This can be done in 8th grade, or senior year...no time period is typical.
What this kid did was what football players do. He made a spectacle of his announcement where it was no longer about the program, or the school, it was about HIM. That's what was wrong. And when he gets to school and there are 50 kids that show up on day one and only 35 are kept, and only 25 go on the road...and he isn't one of them he shouldn't be surprised.
You remember the movie a few good men? UNIT, CORE, GOD, COUNTRY...it's supposed to go like that for baseball too. But this kid changed it to ME, and it's going to blow up spectacularly. I wouldn't be surprised if his scholarship was pulled. College baseball coaches don't want a ME, they want a member of the team.
Let the kid have his moment I say. Sports are changing like everything else. Baseball used to hate celebrations, now they embrace them as the Latin players always say I would not want to play beisbol if it was boring. The old hit a homerun act like you have done it before doesn't apply any longer.
Baseball is a Team sport but you will soon learn, no one cares about TEAM, when it comes to recruiting and the cutthroat people you will run into trying to take your son's spot. People lying about going to a camp, coaches giving you the runaround. So many things. A player can tear his ACL the first week at school or blow out his arm. Maybe this is his only time to enjoy celebrating his chance to choose his college. The numbers in baseball are down and maybe this is what it needs to get people excited. How many HS basketball games have you seen only a few people attending, or football games. But go to a Baseball game, sometimes the only person the players know there are parents and a girl friend. Baseball needs some excitement! I remember talking to an MLB players dad who played for the Braves, he would tell me how his son and the other player fighting for his position hated each other, pulled against the other player to fail. It was cutthroat, but it is business. They pretended to be team mates on camera but despised each other on and off the field. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2018 : 10:58:56
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Therein lies the problem, is this "ME MOMENT" enough, or does your personality require more "ME MOMENTS" down the road.
The cutthroat business definitely exists in all sports; especially, travel baseball. Getting recruited by colleges or looked at by the pros, it doesn't matter what the team is doing, it is all about you. Hopefully, in college, it can be more about the team, although you will still have to fight for playing time.
This will be my last post concerning this; ultimately, if a player decides to do this, then the consequences, good or bad, will be theirs alone. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2018 : 10:23:26
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Originally posted by 743
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by SuperStar
I get what you are saying. The normal is to privately accept an offer from a college and then upon signing day go public with it. I guess at the end of the day, this kid was excited about it and couldn't wait. I do agree as far as - I wouldn't want to boast too much and create bad attention. But nothing wrong with celebrating and being excited about it.
No.
Typically the baseball player will make his decision in private, let the coaches know, then sound out a tweet saying that he is going to continue his education and play baseball at XXX school. This can be done in 8th grade, or senior year...no time period is typical.
What this kid did was what football players do. He made a spectacle of his announcement where it was no longer about the program, or the school, it was about HIM. That's what was wrong. And when he gets to school and there are 50 kids that show up on day one and only 35 are kept, and only 25 go on the road...and he isn't one of them he shouldn't be surprised.
You remember the movie a few good men? UNIT, CORE, GOD, COUNTRY...it's supposed to go like that for baseball too. But this kid changed it to ME, and it's going to blow up spectacularly. I wouldn't be surprised if his scholarship was pulled. College baseball coaches don't want a ME, they want a member of the team.
Let the kid have his moment I say. Sports are changing like everything else. Baseball used to hate celebrations, now they embrace them as the Latin players always say I would not want to play beisbol if it was boring. The old hit a homerun act like you have done it before doesn't apply any longer.
Baseball is a Team sport but you will soon learn, no one cares about TEAM, when it comes to recruiting and the cutthroat people you will run into trying to take your son's spot. People lying about going to a camp, coaches giving you the runaround. So many things. A player can tear his ACL the first week at school or blow out his arm. Maybe this is his only time to enjoy celebrating his chance to choose his college. The numbers in baseball are down and maybe this is what it needs to get people excited. How many HS basketball games have you seen only a few people attending, or football games. But go to a Baseball game, sometimes the only person the players know there are parents and a girl friend. Baseball needs some excitement! I remember talking to an MLB players dad who played for the Braves, he would tell me how his son and the other player fighting for his position hated each other, pulled against the other player to fail. It was cutthroat, but it is business. They pretended to be team mates on camera but despised each other on and off the field.
Oh, so true.
People are failing to realize that the TEAM does not get scholarships or drafted. Each player is an individual and coaches USUALLY pick the best individual player to save their job (which is to win). The end goal is to get paid for playing and those are not TEAM checks that get deposited. Coaches want video of players all the time, so no big deal about the video on where the kid decides to go to school. His choice so everyone's opinion doesn't matter. The problem is people think their opinion matters when it really doesn't. |
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Vandy
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Posted - 11/23/2018 : 19:22:17
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| This player will not be losing his scholarship. One need only watch this years World Series where every swing, and every pitch was what you saw. No more player field positioning, no more demonstration of team unity, no more stadium perspective, just a full screen shot of the player with music and a lot of chit chat about him. This changed in one year. Where the heck do you think the kid mentioned is getting his que from? He is a good kid, plays hard and plays well. God Bless him. |
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