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743
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 Posted - 01/21/2020 : 15:35:39
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I have heard a few people say their HS had fund raising and if you don't participate you can not tryout? Does anyone else have a problem with this?
You are not guaranteed anything other than a tryout, so you raise a bunch of money for a team your son can not even participate in. Any Thoughts? I know of one player was cut and ended up running track so the money he raised could have gone to that but instead he gets nothing for it. |
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Caseyatbat
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Posted - 01/21/2020 : 21:23:28
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| I’ve seen this at two different local high school baseball programs. Not taking a position; just personally confirming the scenario. |
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Critical Mass
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Posted - 01/22/2020 : 12:20:39
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| Son’s HS years ago did this, fundraiser prior to tryouts and selection and I believe they still do. I’m not a fan and although I complained about it to my spouse on the merits...I figured my son was good enough back then to make the team. Baseball requires lots of effort for funds and parents participation but this is one area I think isn’t quite as fair to fringe kids for sure. |
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wareagle
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Posted - 01/23/2020 : 17:00:25
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Most teams have to start fundraising in the fall, and tryouts are not til January. It would be pretty tough to work around it. Most kids in the programs around here, get some type of workouts/coaching in the summer and fall so they have at least gotten something for their efforts if they do not make the team. I have not seen many scenarios where a kid raises a TON of money and doesn't make the team. It takes many things to make a team successful, and money is one of them. Not saying its completely correct, but it does happen and I'm kinda ok with it. Making the team, and making onto the field are 2 different things. Money should never get you on the field!
Ok, Bash away, but its my honest opinion. |
Edited by - wareagle on 01/23/2020 18:07:28 |
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Ross
60 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2020 : 17:10:53
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| In round numbers it takes $ 25K to run a HS program (Varsity and JV) annually. Schools receive less than 10% of that from the county. So if you want field, bus rides, umpires, uniforms, etc it takes $$$. If you wait until after tryouts you won't have time to put it all together. I would rather the school fund raise and therefore not charge kids to play. If you wait until after tryouts, typically you will pay to play. So if you do not make the team you helped your school and hopefully you are motivated to be better next year. Based on $$$ and timing, no problem with it at all. |
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jakesdad
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Posted - 01/23/2020 : 19:27:11
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| It is just the way it has to be for the reasons already stated above. Some coaches tried to get tryouts to be in the Fall so fundraising could be done then and GHSA voted it down. |
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bballman
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Posted - 01/24/2020 : 14:50:42
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Originally posted by 743
I have heard a few people say their HS had fund raising and if you don't participate you can not tryout? Does anyone else have a problem with this?
You are not guaranteed anything other than a tryout, so you raise a bunch of money for a team your son can not even participate in. Any Thoughts? I know of one player was cut and ended up running track so the money he raised could have gone to that but instead he gets nothing for it.
Fundraising in the fall before tryouts, ok. Can't try out if you don't participate, not ok. That's my opinion... |
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Crazyforbball
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Posted - 01/24/2020 : 16:20:22
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| Most schools have no way around it ... I don't know of any that actually won't allow you to try out without it...I would think that would be some sort of GHSA infraction, and so is probably a rumor. They can say they "expect it" but it's really up to you before you're on the team. Hopefully parents are realistic with expectations and spend accordingly. I know of 1 kid who was the highest fundraiser all 4 years yet never made the team. Likewise it's rude to assume your kid is so good you don't need to fundraise, which leaves everyone else picking up the slack. Best approach...somewhere in the middle. Now once you are on the team, that's another matter. Then it's got to be a group effort with everyone contributing as it's an expensive sport, and you want to keep a nice field, have your boys fed, etc. |
Edited by - Crazyforbball on 01/24/2020 16:53:03 |
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patent pending
66 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2020 : 08:04:21
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| Do you guys ever wonder what happens to the money that's left over after all the expenses are paid ? |
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Ross
60 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2020 : 13:04:03
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Originally posted by patent pending
Do you guys ever wonder what happens to the money that's left over after all the expenses are paid ?
That is pretty cynical. For my son's HS the money rolls over to fund the next year. |
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KentMurphy
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Posted - 01/28/2020 : 13:14:01
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Originally posted by Ross
In round numbers it takes $ 25K to run a HS program (Varsity and JV) annually. Schools receive less than 10% of that from the county. So if you want field, bus rides, umpires, uniforms, etc it takes $$$.
No clue if this is actually correct, but let's say it is... Why then, do h/s charge $2K+ per player if they make the team-- which consists of ~15-18 on JV and ~18-20 on V?
Let's just say $30K to 'run' the program...
-$2K from the county
-$66K from player fees ($2K x 33 players)
= $38K surplus...
I guess that could go to...?? Field repairs/updates? Light bill (or is that included in the original estimate)?
What about the money the dugout club (I assume the booster club would get it, maybe it's the entire athletic department) receives from renting the field to tourney orgs? That's a good revenue each late-spring/summer? And of course, money from fundraisers and let's not forget sponsor dollars too.
Not sure, but seems like there would be PLENTY left over. Heck, at these rates, how are more h/s fields not turf? |
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Gatravelbaseball
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Posted - 01/29/2020 : 12:54:38
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Originally posted by Ross
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Originally posted by patent pending
Do you guys ever wonder what happens to the money that's left over after all the expenses are paid ?
That is pretty cynical. For my son's HS the money rolls over to fund the next year.
It is a little cynical, but it's also a legitimate question. How many programs are really transparent with their finances?
Do you know how much rolled over from last year for your son's HS program?
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2seamfbaway
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Posted - 01/30/2020 : 09:43:10
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| Wait, did someone say $2k+ per player to play Varsity and JV at public HS? Is that for a team playing in some expensive tournaments or traveling out of state to play some games? Having been involved with finances for some of my kids sports, there are always more expenses than most people realize but that does seem really high, especially for a sport where the players provide most of their own equipment. |
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brball
615 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2020 : 21:40:22
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Originally posted by 2seamfbaway
Wait, did someone say $2k+ per player to play Varsity and JV at public HS? Is that for a team playing in some expensive tournaments or traveling out of state to play some games? Having been involved with finances for some of my kids sports, there are always more expenses than most people realize but that does seem really high, especially for a sport where the players provide most of their own equipment.
My son is playing college ball now and the most I ever paid for high school ball was around $750 if I remember correctly. I wouldn’t pay 2K for travel ball unless there was some crazy out of town tourney or 2 included! |
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redsox23
98 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2020 : 23:09:18
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My son's HS produces a budget. Gwinnett County 7A. What most people forget is that the county only pays for 3 coaches. So if you see more than three coaches between the Freshman, JV and Varsity, it's a pretty safe bet a good portion of the money goes there.
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High School Fundraising before Tryouts
