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justinm1225
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 Posted - 03/26/2014 : 09:27:30
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| Runner on First, ball hit to Third baseman. Instead of runner sliding into second base he runs right through the bag, not rounding bag but runs straight through it. While running through the bag he hits the second baseman in his out stretched arm and prohibits him from making the catch. Runner then turns around and comes back to bag safely. What is the call? |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 03/26/2014 : 10:32:33
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Interesting because it would seem that the runner was already safe at second (since you state he prevented baseman from making catch) and then put himself at risk again by over running bag (which would be an indication of attempting to take 3rd) and in doing so, interfered with the fielder attempting to make a catch.
I'd rule the runner out for interference with an immediate dead ball so the batter could not advance past 1st (assuming this wouldn't result in the 3rd out). |
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justinm1225
207 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2014 : 10:59:55
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| That was my thought. Had the runner just slid he would have been safe and no questions asked. The umpire ended up calling the runner safe as he made it back to the bag before the ball was picked up and a play could be made. I asked for interference but the umpire stated he was rounding the bag attempting to go to third which was absolutely incorrect. When I say the runner ran through the bag I mean he ran straight through the bag like he was running through first. Lol. |
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Mad1
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Posted - 03/26/2014 : 11:02:58
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Interesting because it would seem that the runner was already safe at second (since you state he prevented baseman from making catch) and then put himself at risk again by over running bag (which would be an indication of attempting to take 3rd) and in doing so, interfered with the fielder attempting to make a catch.
I'd rule the runner out for interference with an immediate dead ball so the batter could not advance past 1st (assuming this wouldn't result in the 3rd out).
Agree. Out on interference. |
Edited by - Mad1 on 03/26/2014 11:40:02 |
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Coach D
167 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2014 : 17:35:20
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| If this was ruled interference would the guy going to first Be out also if the ump felt they could have turned two ? Assuming 0 or 1 outs |
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justinm1225
207 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2014 : 20:17:58
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| Good question. In this case there was no possible way of turning two but if there was that would be nice to know the answer for future reference. Anybody know??? |
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mikepayne
173 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2014 : 09:15:26
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| You can't assume the double play when scoring an error or not. On a force slide play at second if the runner takes out the second baseman you most certainly bang out the batter runner otherwise where is the penalty for taking out the fielder. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 03/27/2014 : 11:50:31
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Originally posted by Coach D
If this was ruled interference would the guy going to first Be out also if the ump felt they could have turned two ? Assuming 0 or 1 outs
No, it's a dead ball penalty. Likewise, should the ball have rolled into the corner, runners could not advance. Assume it were the same situation on a double and the interference occurred at 3rd with the hitter at 2nd. Were it not a dead ball foul, the trailing runner could continue to advance at risk. To prevent this scenario, as soon as interference is assumed, the ball is dead. |
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stanlewis
545 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2014 : 20:15:22
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Coaches should be familiar with the rules of the various sanctioning bodies. Interference can get complicated and there are situations where the umpire can call an assumed double play. Major league rules vary in a lot of areas with High School and Collegiate rules. Below is a link that describes some situations. Read the various case books and you will see all types of weird situations.
Since the general theme is to get players ready for high school, I never have understood why most youth sanctioning bodies do not use NFHS rules as a base to get the players, coaches and parents used to them. I have seen more arguments in games based on that is not how the call was made on TV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference%5f%28baseball%29 |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2014 : 10:15:07
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Stan,
I completely agree with your advice as it depends on the type of interference and, as always, subjective to interpretation of the Umpire. That tidbit tends to be far more important than the rule. Whatever the umpire says, goes.
For those unfamiliar, look at the new (2nd year) rule on how a pitcher must toe the rubber from the wind-up in high school now. If he doesn't toe it correctly before the pitch, the pitch can be called illegal and ruled a ball after the fact. This isn't with runners or base or from the stretch. Simply a new rule dictating foot position BEFORE the pitch. Not sure of the logic behind it, but start teaching your 7th and 8th grade pitchers now so it's not foreign to them in HS. I've seen I've seen the call made several times already this season. Completely up to the judgement of the umpire.
Learn the NFHS rules, and hope for the best from the blue crew. |
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low and away
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Posted - 04/01/2014 : 10:22:39
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what is the correct way to toe the rubber in high school now?quote:
Originally posted by in_the_know
Stan,
I completely agree with your advice as it depends on the type of interference and, as always, subjective to interpretation of the Umpire. That tidbit tends to be far more important than the rule. Whatever the umpire says, goes.
For those unfamiliar, look at the new (2nd year) rule on how a pitcher must toe the rubber from the wind-up in high school now. If he doesn't toe it correctly before the pitch, the pitch can be called illegal and ruled a ball after the fact. This isn't with runners or base or from the stretch. Simply a new rule dictating foot position BEFORE the pitch. Not sure of the logic behind it, but start teaching your 7th and 8th grade pitchers now so it's not foreign to them in HS. I've seen I've seen the call made several times already this season. Completely up to the judgement of the umpire.
Learn the NFHS rules, and hope for the best from the blue crew.
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DSBDG
196 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2014 : 12:55:35
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| If pitching from the windup (only), pitcher must have 2 feet touching the rubber when he begins his delivery. |
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