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Hurricane
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 Posted - 09/19/2016 : 11:44:10
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I heard D-1 Colleges can not time you in the 60 now or Velo Radar from positions or radar ball exit speed at their campus. What would be the reason for this? Anyone have any ideas?
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 09/19/2016 : 13:43:54
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It sounds like the kid attempted to see a coach during a Dead period. A kid can go to a college but he can't meet with the coach during that time.
https://new.berecruited.com/resources/recruiting/recruiting-terms-defined
The dead periods this year are:
November 7-10th 2016
January 5-8th 2017
April 10th-13th 2017
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2016 : 15:06:40
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| It was a camp/showcase at the college but good try. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2016 : 16:50:16
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| Every camp my son went to did all of the above and then some with either everyone on staff present or multiple school RC HC. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2016 : 07:39:25
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You should go ask on the HSBBW then, more people there are actually in the college environment and might have better insight.
http://community.hsbaseballweb.com/ |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2016 : 10:31:33
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I believe this is something that was implemented this past weekend. If anyone went a D-1 camp the weekend before last it or earlier it would not have been in effect.
I can't pull up hsbaseballweb from work. Security blocks it but if anyone hears anything let me know. I have a feeling more will come out soon about this. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2016 : 14:04:29
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| I'll post it for you. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2016 : 14:43:46
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So far this is all I have and I'm about to leave work, I'll post whatever comes across tomorrow:
"Don't know anything about this other than to say my 2017 was at a D1 camp this past weekend and he was timed in the 60 and had his exit velocity measured. So if it is a new rule, it has not taken effect yet (or this school had no clue about it)." |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2016 : 15:41:08
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2016 : 08:50:29
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Here were the relevant replies:
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d-mac1
Went to a college prospect camp in August and they had the radar gun on every throw in the infield outfield and on the mound. Exit velocity was recorded but they did not run 60's. They said that was due to time constraints but they were timing kids running to 1st in the game portion.
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Rick at Informed Athlete
My hunch (and it's only a hunch) is that perhaps the compliance director of a Division I university or conference office issued a reminder to coaches to put down the stop watches and the radar guns to focus on the "instructional" aspects of a camp. I'll copy the Division I rule that has been in place since 2007.
Division I Bylaw 13.11.1.14 Tryout Events. A member institution or conference may not host, sponsor or conduct a tryout camp, clinic, group workout or combine (e.g., combination of athletics skill tests or activities) devoted to agility, flexibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes at any location. An institution or conference shall not host, sponsor or conduct any portion (e.g., instructional clinic) of an event that also includes agility, flexibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes that are conducted at a separate location. In sports other than bowl subdivision football, a member institution’s staff members may only attend (subject to sport-specific restrictions) such an event sponsored by an outside organization if the event occurs on the institution’s campus and is open to all institutions. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 8/5/04, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06, 9/18/07)
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PGStaff (FYI, this is Jerry Ford, founder of PG)
For the record, we or any other organization that uses a DI college facility, cannot run/time the 60. It has been that way for several years now. We still use radar guns and stopwatches, just can't run the 60. Not sure what the rules are for an event actually run by the college.
It is just another rule that makes no sense.
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TPM
Not all camps are skills camps, they may be more about being a showcase. Take note of how it's advertised.
IMO instructional camps are worth the money.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2016 : 09:16:35
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| I'll add in a P.S. here....IF your kid was running a 6.3 60 yard time, or throwing 90+, coaches don't need a radar or a stop watch to know it. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2016 : 09:42:02
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Another one...
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CaCO, I think you live in Georgia. UGA seems pretty clear with their interpretation of 13.11.1.14 under "Impermissible Camp Activities". This rule was probably added for football and basketball, and I'm guessing that the other sports aren't as tuned in at most schools. Seems pretty clear that the coach is not supposed to record your measured times, then refer back to them later for recruiting. Which seems ridiculous to me, since they can recruit you out of a camp based on non-measurable activity.
https://compliance.sports.uga....ws-concerning-camps/
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2016 : 09:40:17
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OK in reference to "Not all camps are skills camps, they may be more about being a showcase. Take note of how it's advertised.
IMO instructional camps are worth the money."
Here is the actual email that was sent out. So something changed from mid week the camp invite was sent out to that Saturday?
Registration will begin at 8AM and we will start stretching right at 9AM. Camp is scheduled to run to 6PM, this may be a little early or a little late depending on the pace of the game. We will do our best to keep it on schedule.
4) Bring your turf shoes or running shoes as will we will be running the 60 on the track and we would like for you to hit in turfs in the cages and during BP.
5) Please bring all necessary baseball equipment (catchers gear, helmets, bats, cleats, glove, pants, hat, protective cup, etc)
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2016 : 10:51:11
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Well, I can only assume they were running the 60 but not measuring the 60. It does sound like an instructional camp rather than a showcase...and as stated, those instructional camps have their value.
The last showcase invite I received specifically said "All players will receive their personal assessments from the scouts in attendance in a timely manner. All players will be assessed with 60 Yard Dash, Pro Style Workout, throwing velocity from their position or on the mound, bat exit velocity, live BP and simulated game for pitching and live batting assessments"
The last camp invite I got said "Pro-style workout, defensive and offensive instruction, and a scrimmage will all be used for you to show us your talent. The main reason we want you to attend our camp is so that WE as a coaching staff can get a better feel for you as a person on and off the field."
They are very different.
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743
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Posted - 09/26/2016 : 11:02:41
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| They are "NOT" very different. They are all money makers, but they can say whatever they want. Most are for bringing in money for the program and some do make some offers but not for your average HS player that shows up. Hurricane, not sure about your situation but my son went to a camp this past weekend D-1 and they timed the 60, and did radar from positions and mound. Maybe it was a one week rule or something. I would askt he college. |
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Hurricane
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Posted - 09/27/2016 : 09:51:05
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I emailed the college and the coach cited this rule, but I see that rule has been around for years? Can anyone figure out the difference?
"Division: I Legislative Cite: 13.11.1.14 Title: Tryout Events.
13.11.1.14 Tryout Events. A member institution or conference may not host, sponsor or conduct a tryout camp, clinic, group workout or combine (e.g., combination of athletics skill tests or activities) devoted to agility, #64258;exibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes at any location. An institution or conference shall not host, sponsor or conduct any portion (e.g., instructional clinic) of an event that also includes agility, #64258;exibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes that are conducted at a separate location. In sports other than bowl subdivision football, a member institution's sta#64256; members may only attend (subject to sport-speci#64257;c restrictions) such an event sponsored by an outside organization if the event occurs o#64256; the institution's campus and is open to all institutions (see Bylaws 13.1.7.9.4 and 13.1.7.9.5). [D] (Adopted:
1/10/92, Tevised: 8/5/04, 1/9/06 e#64256;ective 8/1/06, 9/18/07) |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2016 : 10:44:06
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Originally posted by Hurricane
I emailed the college and the coach cited this rule, but I see that rule has been around for years? Can anyone figure out the difference?
"Division: I Legislative Cite: 13.11.1.14 Title: Tryout Events.
13.11.1.14 Tryout Events. A member institution or conference may not host, sponsor or conduct a tryout camp, clinic, group workout or combine (e.g., combination of athletics skill tests or activities) devoted to agility, #64258;exibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes at any location. An institution or conference shall not host, sponsor or conduct any portion (e.g., instructional clinic) of an event that also includes agility, #64258;exibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes that are conducted at a separate location. In sports other than bowl subdivision football, a member institution's sta#64256; members may only attend (subject to sport-speci#64257;c restrictions) such an event sponsored by an outside organization if the event occurs o#64256; the institution's campus and is open to all institutions (see Bylaws 13.1.7.9.4 and 13.1.7.9.5). [D] (Adopted:
1/10/92, Tevised: 8/5/04, 1/9/06 e#64256;ective 8/1/06, 9/18/07)
It was an instructional camp....as Rick posted on the other board. He said:
Rick at Informed Athlete
My hunch (and it's only a hunch) is that perhaps the compliance director of a Division I university or conference office issued a reminder to coaches to put down the stop watches and the radar guns to focus on the "instructional" aspects of a camp. I'll copy the Division I rule that has been in place since 2007.
Division I Bylaw 13.11.1.14 Tryout Events. A member institution or conference may not host, sponsor or conduct a tryout camp, clinic, group workout or combine (e.g., combination of athletics skill tests or activities) devoted to agility, flexibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes at any location. An institution or conference shall not host, sponsor or conduct any portion (e.g., instructional clinic) of an event that also includes agility, flexibility, speed or strength tests for prospective student-athletes that are conducted at a separate location. In sports other than bowl subdivision football, a member institution’s staff members may only attend (subject to sport-specific restrictions) such an event sponsored by an outside organization if the event occurs on the institution’s campus and is open to all institutions. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 8/5/04, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06, 9/18/07) |
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Hurricane
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Posted - 10/06/2016 : 11:56:00
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Instructional or not, it was more of a prospect camp. They talked to about 6 kids including mine after the camp and made some offers as well?
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Anyone hear a rumor D-1 Colleges can not?
