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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2017 : 10:58:30
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Day 1- 78 total pitchers, 37.2% did not hit 85 Day 2- 74 total pitchers, 39% did not hit 85 Day 3- 124 total pitchers, 45% did not hit 85 Day 4- 113 total pitchers, 43% did not hit 85 Day 5- 13 total pitchers, 46% did not hit 85
Remember, this is the best of the best (top prospects) from the 2019 class. If you ran the same numbers, which I am not, from the 16u showdown that took place at the same time, I'm quite confident that these percentages would increase significantly. As a side note, some pitchers that don't hit a certain speed will have their numbers removed by PG, which would skew the percentages.
As far as Jupiter, that is also the cream of the crop, the best pitchers in the nation. Actually, I would have thought the averages would have been higher there. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2017 : 11:27:40
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Ok, I lied. I looked at the first 2 days of the 16u Summer Showdown.
Day 1- 250+ pitchers listed, I got tired of counting. Of those, 15 hit 85 or above. So, 6% hit 85 mph, 94% did not. I did the math using 250, but there were more listed.
Day 2- 105 pitchers listed. Of those, 6 hit 85 or above. So, 5.7% hit 85 mph, 94.3% did not.
Significant difference, more than I expected. |
Edited by - bama21 on 08/03/2017 13:03:07 |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2017 : 12:10:41
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And all these numbers explain exactly why only 7.1% of HS players will move on to an NCAA school. And only 2.1% will move on to a D1 school.
quote: Originally posted by bama21
Day 1- 78 total pitchers, 37.2% did not hit 85 Day 2- 74 total pitchers, 39% did not hit 85 Day 3- 124 total pitchers, 45% did not hit 85 Day 4- 113 total pitchers, 43% did not hit 85 Day 5- 13 total pitchers, 46% did not hit 85
Remember, this is the best of the best (top prospects) from the 2019 class. If you ran the same numbers, which I am not, from the 16u showdown that took place at the same time, I'm quite confident that these percentages would increase significantly. As a side note, some pitchers that don't hit a certain speed will have their numbers removed by PG, which would skew the percentages.
As far as Jupiter, that is also the cream of the crop, the best pitchers in the nation. Actually, I would have thought the averages would have been higher there.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2017 : 14:06:26
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quote: Originally posted by Renegade44
Yeah and I saw many of those pitchers. Many of them threw ball 4 really well too. And have yet to learn that down the middle isn't a location for a strike or that 25-30 pitch innings even if sometimes a miracle shutout inning won't fly for long. Plus exactly 1/2 of them came up as the losing pitcher.
Keep hyping the pure velo that will often never succeed at the next level. Its why college games take 4 hours and hyped favorite colleges regularly flame out when it counts.
Huh? I mean not every 90mph pitcher needs to be on a mound. Some 95+ pitchers get hosed because they don't have movement, or can't find the plate, and the batters just hit it time and time again. Then you could have an 88mph kid who is just unhittable. But there IS a level of minimum velo that is required to move on to the next level. You can't be throwing a crafty 68 mph pitch and expect to get there.
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Gapper
64 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2017 : 14:12:21
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Getting back to the topic of this thread...IF YOU WOULD YELL AT YOUR KID THEN THEY WOULD THROW HARDER! |
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Around_the_Horn
31 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2017 : 16:17:55
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quote: Originally posted by bama21
As far as Jupiter, that is also the cream of the crop, the best pitchers in the nation. Actually, I would have thought the averages would have been higher there.
I thought the same. That is why I shared the info here. Remember that Jupiter has player from different classes. Last year ranged from 2017-2020's. Underclassmen made up 32% of the pitchers. That being said the average for the classes did not have a big drop off.
The top velocities ranged from 97 down to 69. 25% (177) of the RHP were at/over 90MPH and only 9% (20) of the LHP were at/over 90MPH. What is very interesting is that of the 20 LHPs, 15 of the 20 were right at 90. There is your unicorn, LHP throwing over 90. At least last year at Jupiter.
I have broken down this data in many different ways I have been thinking of publishing an infographic. Would that be of interest? |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2017 : 06:46:41
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Personally, I would like to see it. Like it or not, it's all about the numbers. |
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dad4kids
109 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2017 : 12:53:22
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I'd like an infographic on effective techniques for yelling at your kid.
Thanks. |
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tellit
97 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2017 : 16:06:27
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I would like to see this dead horse beat even more. |
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zspopop
4 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2017 : 19:51:01
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I SEND OUT A(stop and think some times when I can see him not doing well on the mound)It almost always works. |
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brball
615 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2017 : 23:36:46
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This thread is WINNING!!! |
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bkball
173 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2017 : 09:42:37
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"He didn't run a 6.7 and went home before things even started." Were you there or was this hear say?
I dont think I believe this because if they did this 99% of the players trying out would have been sent home.
These are more of a publicity deal than a real tryout. I do not think they would send anyone home early.
I would love to hear more about this tryout.
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2017 : 09:54:23
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quote: Originally posted by bkball
"He didn't run a 6.7 and went home before things even started." Were you there or was this hear say?
I dont think I believe this because if they did this 99% of the players trying out would have been sent home.
These are more of a publicity deal than a real tryout. I do not think they would send anyone home early.
I would love to hear more about this tryout.
I texted with his dad. I texted him at 10:51am on the day of the tryout. Here are the exact texts:
Me: How's things going?
Dad: Had to run a 6.7 to stay, pitchers had to throw 90 to stay. Did not run a 6.7
Tryouts started at 10, this was 10:51, so this kid was done pretty early... He also said they only had one chance to run and claims he had no time to stretch out. I also talked in person to the dad. They are pretty close family friends. It happened...
And my understanding is these are actual tryouts, not a fundraiser or promotion or anything. My son has had many teammates attend over the last 4 or 5 years. It doesn't cost anything to attend.
Here's a link to the tryout camp schedule.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/atl/fan_forum/tryout_camps.jsp
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dad4kids
109 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2017 : 14:17:04
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So, I guess this confirms that speed and velocity don't really matter after all ... in 40+ men's softball. |
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bkball
173 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2017 : 11:47:07
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How many of these team mates over the past 4 or 5 years does he know that got signed. I bet ZERO! |
Edited by - bkball on 08/17/2017 14:43:51 |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2017 : 15:21:39
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quote: Originally posted by bkball
How many of these team mates over the past 4 or 5 years does he know that got signed. I bet ZERO!
Um, why the snark? Bballman gave you the information, the tryouts are with scouts. These are for the guys that something happened and they didn't get drafted....they got sick and stopped playing and are now back....they had a baby and quit and are now back....their parents wouldn't/couldn't let them play, or your a science teacher who's arm healed weird and now you throw 97...hehe, love Dennis Quaid.
Anyway, you have to have been overlooked and yet be amazing. What he listed qualifies as amazing and was what they were looking for FROM THIS GROUP....not that you have to be that amazing to get to MiLB, but that that is what this group had to be in order to get there through the Braves "open tryout". |
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dad4kids
109 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2017 : 19:51:08
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Yeah, all this ^^^ is true, but the real point is what is important to pro scouts, as reported. They use speed and velocity as the primary factors to weed kids out. It may not be enough to play MLB, but if you don't have either, then don't even bother. |
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nastycurve
244 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2017 : 20:23:47
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quote: Originally posted by dad4kids
Yeah, all this ^^^ is true, but the real point is what is important to pro scouts, as reported. They use speed and velocity as the primary factors to weed kids out. It may not be enough to play MLB, but if you don't have either, then don't even bother.
100% true, one of my players went to the braves tryout and the 90/6.7 is a fact. If you dont have the minimum tools they dont care about your "moxie". Once you have those tools needed, your other baseball tools come into play. |
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jaguars18
245 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2017 : 15:16:53
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let me know next time a 95mph pitcher gets hosed at PG i want to see it |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2017 : 07:48:05
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quote: Originally posted by jaguars18
let me know next time a 95mph pitcher gets hosed at PG i want to see it
I saw a 90mph pitcher get hosed this weekend....yes it was 90, but it was also straight as an arrow. He only pitched one inning. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2017 : 11:52:15
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PG just posted the top 60 times for the 2019 class. There were 67 kids, ranked 1 to 30 depended on times ran. Of the 67, only 14 are committed. That's less than 21%. This may be surprising to some. |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2017 : 12:54:44
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What about 2018 Times? How many of those are committed? Just curious. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2017 : 14:21:57
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quote: Originally posted by bama21
PG just posted the top 60 times for the 2019 class. There were 67 kids, ranked 1 to 30 depended on times ran. Of the 67, only 14 are committed. That's less than 21%. This may be surprising to some.
As HShulers coach once told him, "You can't steal first." |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2017 : 20:30:55
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For 2018- rough estimate is 39% still not committed. |
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BamaDad
188 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2017 : 11:44:54
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25% of the uncommitted kids on this list are from Metro Atlanta. What does that say about the scouting around Atlanta? quote: Originally posted by bama21
For 2018- rough estimate is 39% still not committed.
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