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bama21

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Posted - 02/25/2019 :  11:22:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When your high school team is playing at another school and the visitor's pitching mound is in total disarray, clearly on purpose, what does that say about that coach/school? Obviously, this is being done to gain some perceived advantage, so is it right or wrong? I'm sure there will varied opinions and I know football does this as well with field conditions, but at least in that scenario both teams are equally affected.

Personally, I believe there should be rules in place to govern the opposing teams warm up areas; especially, the mound. From a safety perspective alone, this should be a rule and it should be enforced.

CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 02/25/2019 :  13:08:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is it possible they never go over there so they didn't know?
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SuperStar

254 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2019 :  17:31:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A few things to mention:

1.It's not possible for the coach not to know the condition of his field.

2.It is the coach's responsibility to make sure the entire field is ready to go. Does that mean he can do it by himself? No, he needs his players and field maintenance to take care of it.

3.I will say this..., most of the time there is not enough help or money to get everything done on a baseball field. It's the lowest on the schools budget to get funded out of all the sports. So it's frustrating when there is no money and very few people to help you.

4.Now, am I making excuses for the coaches? No, If they are truly trying to get things done, but can't then there is nothing they can do about that. But, if they do have the resources and they are doing those things on purpose to gain an advantage, then shame on them.

Edited by - SuperStar on 02/25/2019 19:59:33
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Hurricane

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Posted - 02/26/2019 :  14:22:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When you say "clearly on purpose?
I understand the safety thing but whether you warm up on a flat surface or a real bullpen mound it should not affect a pitcher when he gets in the game, a good pitcher should be able to adjust to a mound from a flat surface, I say no advantage at all. Pitcher also gets his warm up pitches off the real mound.

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wareagle

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Posted - 02/26/2019 :  14:34:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think alot of visitor bullpens are that way.. Heck I have even heard of some that would shorten the distance, to throw off the other team?? Probably just rumors, but who knows what really happens.

As a player, they just got to adjust and move on. It probably will not affect them unless they let it, mentally

Edited by - wareagle on 02/26/2019 15:43:23
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SuperStar

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Posted - 02/26/2019 :  17:01:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The point is not whether it will affect them or not. The point is that the visitors bullpen should be ready to go. Meaning, cleaned of debris, sloppy mud, etc. It's a courtesy that should be done for visiting teams. At the end of the day, all pitchers have to adjust to their ever changing environment.
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bama21

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Posted - 02/27/2019 :  06:30:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Flat ground is not even close to the same as a mound and I have heard some MLB teams don't use the "flat ground bullpen" because it does not simulate a game environment. Anyway, throwing flat ground is called warming up, not pitching.

Most of the fields are in great condition, so when the visitors mound is not, then it is for a reason. If you don't think it makes a difference, then explain why the coach is leaving it that way. I will tell you why because he feels it gives his team an advantage. Also, when the entire field is dry, but the visitors mound is wet and the pitcher spends more time trying to get mud off his cleats than getting ready to pitch, that's a problem.

As far as warming up on the field, yeah, 8 pitches should be enough and he should be ready to go. That's funny.
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Hurricane

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Posted - 02/27/2019 :  11:42:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bama21

"flat ground bullpen" because it does not simulate a game environment. Anyway, throwing flat ground is called warming up, not pitching.



You said yourself flat ground is called warming up. Are you talking warming up or you talking bullpens during the game for future games and getting in work? But I get it! I think most schools put way more time and energy into the home dugout, bullpen, batting cage, seating for home side etc. If I was the coach I would just adjust to it and not make a big deal about it, or the kids would think its a major factor in how they play. I have seen plenty of kids pitch great off flat ground warmups and and some pitch bad with a good mound. I have coached many travel teams that had no warmup mounds.
Did it affect them for a minute it did but I don't think its a game changer. I guess I would have to know who the coach was, what school and that would probably tell me if it was intentional or not. Bottom line yeah they should have a warmup mound that is safe, and reflects close to the dimensions and height of the game mound. You have to remember we have been in a severe rain season, so most are just happy to have the field in playing condition.
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Gatravelbaseball

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Posted - 02/27/2019 :  15:21:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Good coaching strategy or poor sportsmanship?"

Since when are those two mutually exclusive?!

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bama21

264 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2019 :  06:41:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Whether it affects them or not is not the point, the opposing pitcher should be afforded the same warm up environment (usable mound) as the home team.

Not all schools are like this, but one is too many.

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Hurricane

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Posted - 03/07/2019 :  11:30:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you tell us what ,HS it was?
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bama21

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Posted - 03/07/2019 :  14:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I won't mention the schools, but there have been 2 so far this year. The one school, the kids couldn't even stand on the rubber because there was no dirt under the front part of it.
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Hurricane

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Posted - 03/08/2019 :  15:27:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about a county or school district.
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bama21

264 Posts

Posted - 03/11/2019 :  13:34:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One school was in Cobb, the other was out of county.
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bama21

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Posted - 03/11/2019 :  13:38:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To be honest, I have never really paid attention to the mounds and most parents probably don't. As far as the kids, they just do what they do, improvise and it probably doesn't concern them at all.

But again that is not the point.
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