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 Huge Change in Major Level Landscape
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ecb7

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Posted - 08/25/2017 :  11:20:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What a difference 2 months makes, because the entire major level landscape has changed. The rumor mill has been working overtime and kids finally committed and should be very top heavy 13U Major competition this year. I know I'm super excited to see how things shake out come spring.

CaCO3Girl

1556 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2017 :  11:47:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Every age group, every year.

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ecb7

79 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2017 :  13:22:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It does change every year in every age bracket but this year in my opinion is exception because for the Top team to dissolve and potentially new team to take over that spot built from ground up definitely doesn't happen every year.
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Coach Pete

22 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2017 :  17:52:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Quite the tease buddy. Since I haven't seen you since CDP, can't you tell us more?
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GPG2014

6 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2017 :  19:56:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe he is talking about the GA Jackets. Heard there are two teams with probably the best pitching in state
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Team Rawlings 13U

15 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2017 :  22:53:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GA Jackets definitely assembled the best pitching staff in the State curious who you think is the second team with all the arms?
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 08/28/2017 :  07:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ecb7

It does change every year in every age bracket but this year in my opinion is exception because for the Top team to dissolve and potentially new team to take over that spot built from ground up definitely doesn't happen every year.


Every year 3-5 kids from stud team A leave to go to stud teams B and C, stud team C has 3-5 kids that go to stud team B and A....then there is a HUGE shake up when Stud Team B got the number one kid from stud team A to come to them. There is also several kids that come out of the woodwork that no one has heard of before, and several teams that go POOF.

GA Jackets 13u is new this year, as is any Ga Jackets team under 16u since they didn't have any 14u or under teams last year.

13u teams will "dissolve" every year, even good Major teams. Dad coaches have tried to hold the group of boys together for Cooperstown but at 13u the baseball concept gets serious and they hand over the reigns to a "real" coach, between 13u-15u most dad's quit. Even the qualified ones can't keep up with the game demands for 15u lots of day games when you play June-August.
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GPG2014

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Posted - 08/28/2017 :  08:07:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Heard the jackets will have two teams with plenty of pitching for both
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TaxiMom

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Posted - 08/28/2017 :  11:03:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl

quote:
Originally posted by ecb7

It does change every year in every age bracket but this year in my opinion is exception because for the Top team to dissolve and potentially new team to take over that spot built from ground up definitely doesn't happen every year.


Every year 3-5 kids from stud team A leave to go to stud teams B and C, stud team C has 3-5 kids that go to stud team B and A....then there is a HUGE shake up when Stud Team B got the number one kid from stud team A to come to them. There is also several kids that come out of the woodwork that no one has heard of before, and several teams that go POOF.

GA Jackets 13u is new this year, as is any Ga Jackets team under 16u since they didn't have any 14u or under teams last year.

13u teams will "dissolve" every year, even good Major teams. Dad coaches have tried to hold the group of boys together for Cooperstown but at 13u the baseball concept gets serious and they hand over the reigns to a "real" coach, between 13u-15u most dad's quit. Even the qualified ones can't keep up with the game demands for 15u lots of day games when you play June-August.



Since you don't have a child at this age group, I'll point out to you that there's been a team (MGBA Bulldogs) that no team in Georgia has been able to come even close to touching for a handful of years. They didn't stay together for Cooperstown -- they didn't go -- but they did dissolve going into 13U. A bunch went to the Ga Jackets. Not sure where the others went. Jackets also picked up some good players from some other dissolving teams.....I've also heard that there will be two Astros team with one being made up of a large number of "flown in" players......so yes, I'd agree that the landscape for our age group has changed dramatically, and it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

As far as pitching, at the high majors level, these kids who only throw hard need to start finding some movement in their pitches. Straight fast ball with no movement? Fast in, fast out. Kids who can hit at the high major level love to see the straight fast ball......put in some motion, not so much. ;)
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 08/28/2017 :  14:06:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

You are right about the movement, straight fastball is called batting practice. We will have to agree to disagree that it's a SSDD situation with teams breaking up. i can't remember a year where there wasn't a HUGE change. The ace from the cougars went to the Astros, some coach was arrested, someones lease is up, someones funding fell through, someone left and got a non-baseball job, someones dad gave up the reigns, 6 kids and their parents decided they were the only good players so they formed a new hot shot team....and on and on and on.
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Team Rawlings 13U

15 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2017 :  14:42:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@TaxiMom I totally agree with what you said regarding the break up of MGBA. They're were the most dominant team I've seen in Georgia at the lower age brackets since the Bandits from 2011 to 2014 in 12U to 14U age division. GA Jackets will be really strong based on having two of the stronger arms in GA. I sure after struggling the last two years in this age bracket the Astros will make a strong push to return to dominance even if they have to pay for out of state talent. I also heard EC Tigers and 643 Cougars have made a bunch of moves as well so should be interesting to see what everyone has comes next spring. Also definitely several sleeper teams out there flying under the radar.
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13uplayer

3 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2017 :  16:30:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Who were the really good pitchers that the Jackets picked up?
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BamaDad

146 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2017 :  17:21:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If my son is lucky enough to be on a team that plays one of these "super" teams(GA Jackets, Astros), I hope that he will come away with some valuable lessons from the experience.
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GaBB101

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Posted - 08/28/2017 :  21:01:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
MGBA breaking up changes the game. Name 1 tournament over the past 4 years they weren't the favorite to win(in or out of GA)? Before now it has been about winning, and no one has come close to their success.
Jackets nor Stros will be a "super" team. Wes Etheridge is coming from GBG Renegades from cali to coach the "top" Astros team, in doing so for the bigger tournaments he will be flying in a few of his Cali kids.
Jackets will be very good but its hard to say how good. Talent wise they are deep, but how many players do they have other than middle guys? #2 from bulldogs is a game changer, #16 from bulldogs is a game changer, #3 can be if he puts it together. So those players going to Jackets are big plus but you still have to hit, pitch, and catch in 9 positions.
MGBA players will be at Astros, Jackets, Team Elite, and maybe ECB tigers from what I hear. Moist have already committed, a few still left to grab.

I am also interested in who the really good pitchers are the jackets picked up? #16 & #3? Definitely plus arms but 60ft ladies and gents!
The Astros weren't even the best ECB team last year.
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WarEagle34

1 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2017 :  21:14:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Worst story told this off-season was a 12u coach took his entire team to a try-out at a completely different organization calling it a 'try out prep' for their 13u season. Of course, the group hosting picked and chosed who they wanted which blew up that team with that coach being part of all of it. Who knows if that's true but who knows with travel baseball.

Yeah, a lot of shake up but still sad how some it comes to be...if true.
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ecb7

79 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2017 :  21:58:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@GaBB101 Besides the two MGBA kids you already mentioned they picked up #1 from EC Tigers and #1 from EC Yankees. Along with 4 or 5 other EC Yankees.
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turntwo

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Posted - 08/29/2017 :  12:25:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ecb7

@GaBB101 Besides the two MGBA kids you already mentioned they picked up #1 from EC Tigers and #1 from EC Yankees. Along with 4 or 5 other EC Yankees.


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BobbyCox

144 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2017 :  10:20:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a big difference between 12s and 13s, for once, size does matter. Whether playing at 54/80 or 60/90, the field dimensions expose a lot of kids weaknesses and puberty is a difference maker. This past season, I saw stud pitchers at 12u get rocked at 13u. There isn't blowing the fastball by the hitter any more. If the pitcher doesn't have movement or other pitches to throw for strikes he will get hit. No more 2-1 or 3-2 games. Put the -5 bat in the mix, higher scoring games and teams better be able to score runs. This is their last season with the hot bats, so enjoy it as it all slows down at 60/90 BBCOR.

There are kids that have been playing on AAA teams coming out of the woods and with the new TC rules on being able to play with your grade, you will start seeing kids that were playing up due to age move down. If the teams don't have size, they will struggle as XBH and stealing bases aren't as easy anymore. Pitching is key as you have to throw strikes and teams must play defense. These are just some of the things I noticed as I watched my older son play last season. Puberty vs. non puberty.

Top teams? I've heard the Astros first team really loaded up with size and big bats. New teams forming up like the jackets, can they really gather up enough stud players to compete against an established team that filled in a few holes? The top teams last season will probably be the same top teams this season, just better.
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22358

1 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2017 :  19:58:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@WarEagle34. Not sure what team you are talking about but this did happen to my sons team this summer.
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TaxiMom

116 Posts

Posted - 09/01/2017 :  20:36:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Two Georgia teams finish in Triple Crown's 12U Top Ten. One team disbanded with players dispersing, the other mostly stayed together. Congratulations to them both:


The 12u Triple Crown Rankings began in early March and concluded at the end of July. It was a five-month process of following teams from coast to coast, as well as collecting results from over 40 events from the USSSA Arizona Super NIT to the South Haven Super NIT in Mississippi, and extending through the TBS National Championships in Georgia and everything in between.

These events were assigned their own value based on top teams in attendance. This ranking is not built on “the more you play, the more points you get,” but on the presence of quality competition.

One thing is clear — the 12u GBG Renegades faced the top teams in the country and consistently came out on top. Congratulations to the 12u GBG Renegades!

1. GBG Renegades – Fullerton, CA
2. D-Bat Elite North – Dallas, TX
3. Team Xtreme Adiktiv – Pace, FL
4. Wilson MVP Elite – Norwalk, CA
5. MGBA Bulldogs – Stockbridge, GA
6. Yalobusha Giants – Oxford, MS
7. Memphis Tigers-Lyons – Memphis, TN
8. M3 Elite – Antioch, TN
9. Easton Elite ’22 – Whittier, CA
10. East Cobb Tigers – Marietta, GA
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