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BaseballFan05

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Posted - 10/28/2019 :  07:33:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Iím seeing a lot of teams using shaved bat this fall, what do you guys think about that?

oneZone

108 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2019 :  22:01:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think about 9 out of 10 reports of shaved bats are baseless and motivated by a bitter loss at the hands of the supposed offenders.
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igotitigotit

18 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2019 :  16:52:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BaseballFan05

Iím seeing a lot of teams using shaved bat this fall, what do you guys think about that?



How do you know they are shaved?!
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Curveball13

5 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2019 :  16:05:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's when I get suspicious...when a 60 pound pip squeak casts his swing and the ball clears the 200' fence with ease. He's using the latest -10 Zen and the whole team seams to be using that same bat. It doesn't sound like any other Zen on contact, the sound is more "hollow" for lack of a better term. When your catcher tosses the bat back to the dugout the next batter goes out of his way to get his hands on it. Surely I'm not the only one that has seen this happen? I'm not for it or against it, when the boys start swinging -3 it will separate the men from the boys.
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oneZone

108 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2019 :  16:39:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And, cue Punishers with a push for the exclusive use of wood bats at all ages in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

:)
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2seamfbaway

13 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2019 :  21:20:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How can one be neither for or against it? Shaving bats is against the rules and if someone injures a kid with a shaved bat they should be legally liable, period. They altered equipment outside of tested and certified specs to make it launch a projectile at kids harder than it is supposed to and passed it off as unaltered - they made it a sort of weapon and knowingly put kids in danger so their kid can hit a baseball a bit further. Itís 100% insane.

Now, I agree with OneZone that the majority of shaved bat reports are probably false and kids are just using a hot Zen that maybe the team has only one of - they are expensive! Maybe thatís just me being naive, but kids talk too much to ensure a teammate doesnít tell a friend at school or tell a new team when they switch teams. But Iím sure it does happen and if someone is actually caught doing it they should be banned from that tournament organization for at least a year if not for good.

Edited by - 2seamfbaway on 10/30/2019 22:11:55
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Punishers

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Posted - 10/30/2019 :  22:30:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are more using shaved bats than you would imagine. I can tell by the if a bat has been altered (shaved). Sounds really hollow on impact because the walls have been thinned out. If people are willing to spend $350 for a Zen, they will spend the extra $150 or so to have it shaved so their little tike can hit a dinger. Shaved bats don't last long anyway. I have a compression tester that I will bring to every tourney we play this spring just in case I hear the hollow sound and want to contest. There aren't but so many bat dr's that shave bats and each one leaves their mark on every bat they touch. Go back to all alloy or wood bats and problem solved. Leave the composites in adult softball where they belong.

Edited by - Punishers on 10/30/2019 22:45:29
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Punishers

686 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2019 :  23:27:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not this time. Alloy only for the young ones and let's see how many try to stuff tennis balls in the barrel. :)

quote:
Originally posted by oneZone

And, cue Punishers with a push for the exclusive use of wood bats at all ages in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

:)


Edited by - Punishers on 10/31/2019 08:48:36
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Curveball13

5 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2019 :  12:22:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
2seamfbaway to answer your question, I am neutral on the subject because I think there are both benefits and drawbacks. I would never consider giving my kid a modified bat because it is absolutely unsafe /irresponsible and he is not going to benefit from using one in the long term. Either learn to swing like you have a pair or not, but do it with a legal bat.
That being said I think there are a lot of undersized kids out there playing travel ball that might have given up on the sport if they didn't have the help of a rocket launcher to keep them interested and reasonably successful. I think if everyone went to the USA bat standard or wood bats many kids would lose interest.
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morrsco

49 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2019 :  15:18:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just my two cents, but I doubt many teams are shaving bats. Who needs a shaved bat when the rules already let kids swing rocket launchers? 12U is the age when kids get strong enough to really take advantage of the composite -10 and -8 bats. Prior to 12 the smaller players aren't swinging fast enough to cause the composite bats to compress enough to fully get the trampoline effect. Suddenly at 12 kids start gaining strength quickly while most teams are still playing on the tiny fields. Personally my son had never hit an over the fence homer prior to 12U, but he hit five that spring season. He used a -8 Marucci Hex Connect that was hot but legal. Things start to go back to normal at 13U when most teams are playing 60/90 at least half the time.
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ComancheBaseball

15 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2019 :  22:20:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeh, been around baseball a long time. Like 20+ years, the shaved bat problem has always been there. It seems that it is more prevalent today than every. I get it, you want to keep up with the Jones's, but the fact is, it is cheating and if a kid gets hurt it is liable criminally. All I ask is the organizations that sanction baseball put a policy in place to be able to protest it. Heck, just send out a reminder via email to the data base of people playing so that people who slipped down the slope wake up. Listen when a metal bat sounds like a composite bat it is shaved. When a composite bat sounds like a its got cork in it, it is shaved. When a 80 pound kid is launching it 275 ft, guess what? You know the answer. I will never say we lost because of me thinking it is shaved. However, when the people running tournaments put a solid plan in place to test it. Like weighing the bat or compression tester. I will gladly pay the money in the 1st inning to protest it. Just saying, quit cheating, quit cheating your kid and quit cheating the teams you are playing.
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McGlovin

7 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2019 :  15:10:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know why this is even a discussion. Shaved bats are illegal for a reason and if parents or players get a sense of pride hitting a homerun with one, well they are a part of whats wrong with society today. 12u is the year of BOMBS. My oldest is playing 12u this year and I have personally witnessed 15-20 dingers in the 4 tourneys we've been in. No need to cheat folks.
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georgiabaseball13

22 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2019 :  08:30:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Teach your pitchers not to throw the ball down the freaking middle and then it won't matter what bat teams are using you'll draw soft contact. So many pitchers are chuck and duck now as they just rare back and throw it as hard as they can and have no freaking clue where it goes.
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McGlovin

7 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2019 :  12:36:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by georgiabaseball13

Teach your pitchers not to throw the ball down the freaking middle and then it won't matter what bat teams are using you'll draw soft contact. So many pitchers are chuck and duck now as they just rare back and throw it as hard as they can and have no freaking clue where it goes.



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