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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/18/2017 :  15:20:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We played at ATPP this weekend. Yesterday, the team we played had a player telling their pitcher to hit our kids at the plate. He did. I heard it, my other coach heard it and said something and my wife overheard the kid saying it in the parking lot laughing. I sent a note to the director who brushed it off. That player should not have been playing on Sunday for his behavior.

We played this team again on Sunday. At the home plate meeting, the 2 game umpires, the director and another umpire rep came to me and the other coach saying "any intentional" acts with the payers will have the player and coach ejected.

In the 3rd inning, their player came down 3rd base line to score. Instead of sliding, the player tried to bulldoze my player by picking him up with malicious intent. He was immediately called out for the slide.

It was ONLY when I came to the umpires saying that was "Intentional" and that player must be removed from the game and the coach. After the umpires talked about it...the kid was tossed BUT THE COACH STAYED??!! They refused to give me an explanation the whole game. Just ignored a coach asking for clarity when the umpires and directors clearly stated before the game the coach would be ejected, too.

I don't recommend this location to play. Umpires are "Rec Ball" umps and their unprofessionalism showed on calls and not honoring home plate directions. The kid would not have been thrown out of the game until I reminded them about the "intentional" rule....but they didn't honor the coach being ejected, either.

I called for a protest...was ignored. Asked umpires right after the play for clarification as to why the coach wasn't ejected...was ignored five times. Asked for money back...was ignored. Just wanted to let everyone know how this organization handled their own policies.

TaxiMom

82 Posts

Posted - 06/18/2017 :  18:54:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is that the park's fault, or the tournament director's fault? I'd expect the tournament director to hire the umpires, not the facility the tournament is run out of.....

As an aside, we played a team whose COACH called for his pitcher to hit our batters when they started hitting home runs. Handful of intentional pitches to various players. Our players saw the signs. Once it was brought to the umpire's attention, he banned the coach into the dugout. But that obviously did nothing, because they apparently did the same thing with the next team they faced. What is wrong with these teams?
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Punishers

351 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2017 :  01:13:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can't blame the park. This is all on the tournament dir and umps. It's called "Red Lighting". Sounds like some old school intentional walks, before intentional walks were a thing. This may be new to a lot of people on this board, but this was common baseball when I played. If it was blatantly intentional I can see ejecting the coach and player, but since the signs teams use vary it's hard to tell. The game is not as clean as people think it is and this is the other side of it. Batters do get hit with pitches, intentionally or not, it happens. No difference than spiking. It's the risk of the sport, all sports have risks.

Edited by - Punishers on 06/19/2017 09:27:59
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ABC_Baseball

84 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2017 :  10:29:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm assuming that these kids are pretty young considering ATPP isn't that big. I understand some of the "unspoken" things that happen in baseball. These kids are not getting paid and are not adults. There is "no" need to intentionally hit a batter or bulldoze a kid. The umpire should have thrown out the kid and the coach based on what was stated at the start of the game. I know we have been involved in games where the rules about running over a catcher "were not" followed and the team that committed the offense didn't have to pay a penalty. Call it FAIR. We all know the rules and get warned. When someone breaks them, end of discussion, assess the penalty.

Many issues we see around all youth sports would be solved if people would just call it "FAIR." Coaches, umpires, players, parents. When you start doing favors for people or don't want to enforce rules or operating procedures, that is when things start going down hill. I'm sorry, one thing I can't stand is a jerk. It's made even worse when the people that take the money and are in charge let them have their way.
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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2017 :  10:29:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes but this stemmed from the day before. Both teams were warned at home plate meeting. The slide was intentional and was thrown out of the game. Coach stayed. This violated the agreement before the game. Then, the umps wouldn't explain to me the reason.
Looks bad on the park because they host these tourneys with these directors and umpires. No leadership was present regarding their umpires and director keeping his word. Awful....
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CaCO3Girl

1431 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2017 :  13:11:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NeedCooperstownPlayers

Yes but this stemmed from the day before. Both teams were warned at home plate meeting. The slide was intentional and was thrown out of the game. Coach stayed. This violated the agreement before the game. Then, the umps wouldn't explain to me the reason.
Looks bad on the park because they host these tourneys with these directors and umpires. No leadership was present regarding their umpires and director keeping his word. Awful....


ATPP didn't HOST the tourney. ATPP is a facility that can be rented, but all they are in charge of there is the concession stand and that the bathrooms have toilet paper....they have NOTHING to do with choosing umpires. That would be whatever organization hosted the tournament such as Grand Slam, Triple Crown, Training Legends...etc.

Blaming ATPP is akin to blaming the outdoor venue when the priest you hired didn't show up to your wedding...it's just a place people.
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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2017 :  15:09:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The owners who allow these umps and director to continue running tourneys out of ATPP should be aware. Soon....ATPP will have a bad name....so yeah....I blame the park in this matter.
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CaCO3Girl

1431 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2017 :  07:06:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NeedCooperstownPlayers

The owners who allow these umps and director to continue running tourneys out of ATPP should be aware. Soon....ATPP will have a bad name....so yeah....I blame the park in this matter.



There have been a lot of insane posts on this website, heck I've written half of them, this probably tops them all.
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Kory

48 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2017 :  09:45:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am guessing that this is this team's first year in travel. Maybe a rec all star team that became travel to go to Cooperstown. ATPP has been around for a long time and will be around for a long time. We have played there for years. Have there been some questionable umpires, yes. But, have there been umpires preparing for the MLB, yes. It is all up to the organization to hire the umpires, not the facility. That is like complaining to the place you rented for your wedding reception about the waiters that were hired by your catering company.
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bballguy15

62 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2017 :  09:47:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a few interesting points here and I agree with some of them.

I agree with CooperstownPlayers that if facilities and parks were responsible for their facilities and the tournaments that were runt here that the quality of umpires and field care would be better.

But CaCO is right. When it comes to renting facilities, the only thin g the facility cares about is who can pay the top dollar to run a tournament. After they get that top dollar, they will let tournament directors do what ever they want, as they should.

The only way this will ever change is if teams begin to do something else instead of playing tournament ball. Such as play in a local league all year against other travel teams, and so on and so on. But that won't happen because the squeaky wheel wont get greased.
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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2017 :  14:24:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has nothing to do with the teams. ATPP is under new management and is selling again. ATPP is getting a reputation for bad tourneys because they agree to have certain directors host......
This post is rather simple....
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CaCO3Girl

1431 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2017 :  15:20:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NeedCooperstownPlayers

Has nothing to do with the teams. ATPP is under new management and is selling again. ATPP is getting a reputation for bad tourneys because they agree to have certain directors host......
This post is rather simple....



It is rather simple NeedCooperstownPlayers...it for sure is simple.
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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2017 :  18:28:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes it is.....glad we agree
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bfriendly

339 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  07:21:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the facility does have some responsibility in this matter........they need to make sure the field is raked and striped before/between each game. They should be responsible for any overflowing garbage cans too.

But the meeting between coaches, umps and possibly even the director being involved should not be any of their concern. Unless a law is broken of course.

Maybe someone should file charges or charge the mound? Would this fall under assault? Dont think I'd go that far or want my player to. But unfortunately, the umps are Human not machines(which means they could be Bias too). I too have seen so many bad calls(Including not enforcing a sliding rule) in one game that I'd swear they were just trying to make people mad.

needcooperstownplayers I see your point and feel your frustration, but you'll just have to weigh your options and do what is best for you and yours. Dont expect everyone here to agree. I recently made the decision to NEVER Play another Utrip tourney and even though I may be the last one to make that decision, I have reached it

Edited by - bfriendly on 06/21/2017 08:42:34
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743

179 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  10:41:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Who put on the tournament? Did I miss that?
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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  10:55:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All of this was from the previous day when things got chippy. Pitchers hitting us on purpose after their SS kept encouraging it. The meeting on the mound the next day had all of us there and clearly stated that since yesterday there were tensions, ANY INTENTIONAL happenings would result in the player and coach removed. Well, it happened and only the player was removed.
ATPP is a nice park but having this director hosting tourneys with rec umps should be changed.
I was ignired by the umps when I asked about the coach not kicked out. So unprofessional and cowardly.
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CaCO3Girl

1431 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  12:00:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The situation from the previous day, hitting the batters, had forethought and malicious intention. While the catcher situation did call for an ejection it wasn't the same kind of offense as intentionally hitting batters. Thus the kid was ejected and not the coach.

While I have known some umps to talk it ALL out with a coach/catcher/pitcher and explain their reasoning behind a call, the majority of umps take the less is more approach. They call it, if it's objected to they have a conference with each other, they change or reiterate the call and then they move on.
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NeedCooperstownPlayers

22 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  12:09:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The plate conference wasn't just hitting batters. It was ANY type of intentional action. The umpires only called the kid out. It wasnt until I reminded them about the plate meeting they threw him from the game. The coach should have been tossed, too. ANY INTENTIONAL actions.....not just hitting batters.
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oneZone

78 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  14:26:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 743

Who put on the tournament? Did I miss that?



I don't think NeedCooperstownPlayers mentioned that.

But why does that even matter? ATPP is clearly to blame here! LOL
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Ryno23

116 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  15:03:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We have all had our fair share of poor umpiring, and I get it....the umpires warned you and the other coach prior to the game about any questionable actions and both the player and coach would be tossed, and it didn't happen! You have utilized your right to come on this board and voice your opinion and displeasure with the situation, but blaming the owner of the facility....c'mon man, get a grip. Teach your kids the life lesson in this situation and do it in a positive manner.

Sounds like a calm and respectful phone call and/or email to the tournament director might pay some dividends.
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CaCO3Girl

1431 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  15:06:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One persons "intentional" would imply a direct order from the coach to cause harm....another persons intentional would not apply if the hot head 10/11/12u kid decided to ram/lift the catcher in the heat of the moment because he wanted to do it...rather than he was instructed to do it.
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743

179 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  15:51:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why is ATPP clearly to blame? I am lost I guess. Did they hire the umpires?
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oneZone

78 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2017 :  16:09:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by oneZone

quote:
Originally posted by 743

Who put on the tournament? Did I miss that?



I don't think NeedCooperstownPlayers mentioned that.

But why does that even matter? ATPP is clearly to blame here! LOL



You know, the more I think about it, this is actually the City of Marietta's fault. They NEVER should have allowed ATPP to allow this director to allow these umps to create such a terrible situation.

In fact, the State of Georgia is now officially on notice for allowing the City of Marietta to allow ATPP to allow this director to allow these umps to create this terrible situation.


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CaCO3Girl

1431 Posts

Posted - 06/22/2017 :  07:20:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by oneZone

quote:
Originally posted by oneZone

quote:
Originally posted by 743

Who put on the tournament? Did I miss that?



I don't think NeedCooperstownPlayers mentioned that.

But why does that even matter? ATPP is clearly to blame here! LOL



You know, the more I think about it, this is actually the City of Marietta's fault. They NEVER should have allowed ATPP to allow this director to allow these umps to create such a terrible situation.

In fact, the State of Georgia is now officially on notice for allowing the City of Marietta to allow ATPP to allow this director to allow these umps to create this terrible situation.






BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Brad344

6 Posts

Posted - 06/23/2017 :  09:36:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The team complaining was losing 3-1 in the fifth. They have a runner on 1st with one out. Pitcher tries a pick attempt at first and threw the ball away. Runner to third. Now the shortstop tells the pitcher "don't worry about the runner, get the batter. Next pitch the batter gets hit. Somehow the first base coach thinks he said to hit the batter. Now everyone is riled up saying he said this. Both " REC UMPS" heard get the batter. Why would they be putting runners on in a close game late in the game.
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bfriendly

339 Posts

Posted - 06/23/2017 :  11:13:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl

quote:
Originally posted by oneZone

quote:
Originally posted by oneZone

quote:
Originally posted by 743

Who put on the tournament? Did I miss that?



I don't think NeedCooperstownPlayers mentioned that.

But why does that even matter? ATPP is clearly to blame here! LOL



You know, the more I think about it, this is actually the City of Marietta's fault. They NEVER should have allowed ATPP to allow this director to allow these umps to create such a terrible situation.

In fact, the State of Georgia is now officially on notice for allowing the City of Marietta to allow ATPP to allow this director to allow these umps to create this terrible situation.






BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You guys are brutal
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