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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/04/2018 :  07:41:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by BusterO

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Originally posted by ecb7

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Originally posted by Il Leonne

So which teams are Majors and which teams are "Majors"? I think I've seen this movie before.



If you need your #1 or #2 to beat a Elite Major Team youíre really not in my opinion a Real Major Team. Based on what Iíve seen to this point only little more than handful of truly Elite Major teams that can get compete Nationally versus anyone. In no particular order listed below.
1. Cellblock
2. HP/ Kennesaw
3. Smartense #1 Team
4. East Cobb Astros #1 Team
5. 643 Courgars

My 2 cents


Isn't the objective in tournament play to be able to use your #1/#2 arm to face the Elite Majors team coming at you from the other side of the bracket? Not sure I get your point here. If your #3 or #4 can handle the other dugout, do you really consider them Elite Major? You've seen this age group very recently ECB7, but now playing on one of the teams you listed above, how does that team compare in size/maturity to last year's Elite Majors teams such as GA Jackets National and Team Elite Prospects or Astros Orange? Or do we need the Winter Growth Cycle to really figure this out? Some kids won't even be recognizable between now and next Spring if the P Bug strikes full force. Best of luck this year in the 13U Redo



You know how most teams have that one pitcher who can do really well against almost anyone? An Elite Major team has 3 or more of THOSE guys.

As you progress in baseball you will get into the week long tourneys at PG. That is a 7 game guarantee, but if you win your pool you could be talking about 9 or more games. So, you throw your ace on day one against a crud team because you need him to be ready in 5 days to throw against the first round of playoffs....but in order to get INTO the playoffs you have to beat your pool, this means multiple "that guy" pitchers.

One amazing pitcher doesn't make a team elite. When your fourth pitcher can still knock down a big team, THEN, you have something.
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turntwo

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Posted - 09/04/2018 :  21:23:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl


You know how most teams have that one pitcher who can do really well against almost anyone? An Elite Major team has 3 or more of THOSE guys.


Or some have 2.... But others are rumored to have 6-8 of "those guys"... How is that fair or even possible?
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CaCO3Girl

1912 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2018 :  07:12:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by turntwo

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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl


You know how most teams have that one pitcher who can do really well against almost anyone? An Elite Major team has 3 or more of THOSE guys.


Or some have 2.... But others are rumored to have 6-8 of "those guys"... How is that fair or even possible?



Funny enough, from what I have seen, you don't have too many of THOSE guys on one team because each one is use to being the main guy. It's hard for a 13 year old's parents to swallow that others are catching up to their kid, who now instead of being the opener in "the big game" is a closer, or worse, pool play pitcher!

I think this is one of the main reasons you see a severe drop off of players and teams at 15u. Everyone starts understanding that there are a lot of stud players and those players need to become a team with other stud players to truly have a powerhouse team that can compete with the likes of Banditos, Tri-state Arsenal, Dirtbags, etc... Most kids, and their parents, don't want to play second or third string. Going from playing every inning of every game, and pitching in the top game....then to playing MAYBE every 3rd game and pitching one game, and then eventually if you can really pitch being relegated to PO status. It's a real eye opener. At that point it truly does become about how much you love the game and what you are willing to do to still play.
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ecb7

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Posted - 09/05/2018 :  08:01:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by turntwo

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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl


You know how most teams have that one pitcher who can do really well against almost anyone? An Elite Major team has 3 or more of THOSE guys.


Or some have 2.... But others are rumored to have 6-8 of "those guys"... How is that fair or even possible?



Having 2 guys throwing 80 plus MPH off the bump is elite at 13U. Nobody is the world has a travel team that has 6 plus guys throwing 80 plus. Might have couple teams with 6 plus guys throwing 75 plus switch is still legit.
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CoachTowns

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Posted - 09/05/2018 :  15:16:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by turntwo

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Originally posted by Scout89

Does anyone know how many new MAJOR teams are out there including teams that were AAA last season?



Based on either knowing the program, or reading through the tryout postings your 2018-2019 Major teams are as follows:

Smartense (Red)
Smartense (Black)
Smartense (White)
Smartense (Gray)
Banditos
Cellblock
Gainseville
Meridian
East Cobb Prime
Gamers
S. Dekalb Tribe
Squeeze
GA Jackets (National)
HomePlate Chilidogs/Kennesaw Generals
Titans Blue
Smyrna Slammers Blue
NYO
Buckhead Braves
Oconee Elite
GBSA Kings
USA Prime
GAP
Double Day
TGBA
East Cobb Colt .45's (Orange)
Signature Park
Naturals Baseball Club
5-Star Nationals
South Forsyth
Kings Baseball
643 Cougs
643 Jags
Bones Baseball
Johnson Ferry Performance
Sandy Plains Prowlers
Service Baseball
Dinger Athletics
Barrett Braves
Hopewell
RBA
RBI Redstitch



This is the most comprehensive list I have seen. Two teams that I think will surprise some people are Banditos and Johnson Ferry Performance. Not sure what kind of kids they have, but the coaching is legit.

Edited by - CoachTowns on 09/05/2018 19:31:53
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/06/2018 :  07:06:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by ecb7

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Originally posted by turntwo

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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl


You know how most teams have that one pitcher who can do really well against almost anyone? An Elite Major team has 3 or more of THOSE guys.


Or some have 2.... But others are rumored to have 6-8 of "those guys"... How is that fair or even possible?



Having 2 guys throwing 80 plus MPH off the bump is elite at 13U. Nobody is the world has a travel team that has 6 plus guys throwing 80 plus. Might have couple teams with 6 plus guys throwing 75 plus switch is still legit.



I think you will be surprised at PG this summer. Banditos FL, Tri-state arsenal, heck even the Astros will fly kids in from out of state to get those 6 arms that are throwing 80.

We talk about elite, but there is a whole other class of teams that are cobbled together from a national level...even at 13u, which is just weird, but true.
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turntwo

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Posted - 09/09/2018 :  23:22:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by turntwo



Based on either knowing the program, or reading through the tryout postings your 2018-2019 Major teams are as follows:

Smartense (Red)
Smartense (Black)
Smartense (White)
Smartense (Gray)
Banditos
Cellblock
Gainseville
Meridian
East Cobb Prime
Gamers
S. Dekalb Tribe
Squeeze
GA Jackets (National)
HomePlate Chilidogs/Kennesaw Generals
Titans Blue
Smyrna Slammers Blue
NYO
Buckhead Braves
Oconee Elite
GBSA Kings
USA Prime
GAP
Double Day
TGBA
East Cobb Colt .45's (Orange)
Signature Park
Naturals Baseball Club
5-Star Nationals
South Forsyth
Kings Baseball
643 Cougs
643 Jags
Bones Baseball
Johnson Ferry Performance
Sandy Plains Prowlers
Service Baseball
Dinger Athletics
Barrett Braves
Hopewell
RBA
RBI Redstitch



Some noteables didnít fair well to kick off the season. Or maybe not the ďMajorsĒ they claim....
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CaCO3Girl

1912 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2018 :  07:01:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fall is weird. Kids playing football and going to super elite tryouts. I watched a 17u team with 5+ D1 commits show up with only 8 kids to play in a PG tourney. Again, Fall is weird!
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Bravemom

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Posted - 09/11/2018 :  12:36:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl

Fall is weird. Kids playing football and going to super elite tryouts. I watched a 17u team with 5+ D1 commits show up with only 8 kids to play in a PG tourney. Again, Fall is weird!



Agree, you cannot judge a team based on the fall season. Dang, 8 kids? How could they play?
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 09/12/2018 :  07:16:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Bravemom

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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl

Fall is weird. Kids playing football and going to super elite tryouts. I watched a 17u team with 5+ D1 commits show up with only 8 kids to play in a PG tourney. Again, Fall is weird!



Agree, you cannot judge a team based on the fall season. Dang, 8 kids? How could they play?


They left right field empty. Guess where all our boys aimed for? This is a HUGE big time team and they got beat by a just put together team. It was an anomaly for SURE!
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TeamFirst

10 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2018 :  15:02:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know you can't judge based on Fall but 643 Cougars went 0-2 this past weekend - getting outscored 21-5. Fall or not seeing that on tourney machine was surprising.

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ecb7

94 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2018 :  15:02:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One Weekend doesnít give you the true picture but HP Generals made a statement that there Team is the real deal and might be the Pre-Spring Favorite as one of top teams in Georgia. Smarttense won at PG but every game was a dog fight for them maybe the competition was better who knows itís still early. Super excited to see how HP competes under PG pitching rules versus better competition. Should be interesting weekend..
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hlafontaine

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Posted - 10/01/2018 :  20:21:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by ecb7

One Weekend doesnít give you the true picture but HP Generals made a statement that there Team is the real deal and might be the Pre-Spring Favorite as one of top teams in Georgia. Smarttense won at PG but every game was a dog fight for them maybe the competition was better who knows itís still early. Super excited to see how HP competes under PG pitching rules versus better competition. Should be interesting weekend..


There is no where near 41 Major teams at 13U, regardless of what they self rate. There was less than 10 Majors last year at 12U. Reviewing the list and understanding what a major team is, I would trim it to 15 with 5 of those being more AAA+. HP is the real deal, a combination of Generals and the LL WS team from Pítree City.
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Team13

18 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2018 :  12:02:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by ecb7

One Weekend doesnít give you the true picture but HP Generals made a statement that there Team is the real deal and might be the Pre-Spring Favorite as one of top teams in Georgia. Smarttense won at PG but every game was a dog fight for them maybe the competition was better who knows itís still early. Super excited to see how HP competes under PG pitching rules versus better competition. Should be interesting weekend..



I totally agree. HP Generals appear to be the team to beat. Top to bottom, they are very solid. Looks like they've only had 1 competitive game this Fall. I'm sure some teams will surprise once the Spring rolls around and we haven't seen some teams this Fall that are expected to compete with the big boys. But, based on what we've seen so far, HP Generals and Smartense are loaded. Smyrna Slammers, Team 360 Hawks Blue, and Team Elite (Black) have looked good. You've got to think that Squeeze, Astros, Gainesville, Cellblock will be in the discussion as usual. Interested to see what NYO, Buckhead Braves, and Sandy Plains Prowlers will look like this year. Titans Blue should continue to be one of the top teams. The initial list of the 41 Majors teams is definitely a stretch, but it shows there are still a number of teams in this age group that can compete at a pretty high level.
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RUSemiPro

64 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2018 :  21:54:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HP Generals are 100% legit, we played them and they have talent top to bottom on the roster right now I would put them #1 in the state. They will have a tough road as everyone will be gunning for them especially with their "Celebrity" roster. I think this team is good enough and should be playing 14U tournaments.

Agree on, Team 360 Hawks Blue, while is a surprise for some they are solid and have recruited well from 12 to 13U. They had a great weekend this weekend and looked solid. Time will tell on this team, but they are off to a good start and are well coached.

I was surprised by 6-4-3 Cougars this weekend, but hey everyone can have a bad week, and one week does not make or break a team. This upcoming weekend will be interesting, they should win their first pool game, but then have the GA Jackets National for their second pool game that will be an interesting one to watch.


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Originally posted by ecb7

One Weekend doesnít give you the true picture but HP Generals made a statement that there Team is the real deal and might be the Pre-Spring Favorite as one of top teams in Georgia. Smarttense won at PG but every game was a dog fight for them maybe the competition was better who knows itís still early. Super excited to see how HP competes under PG pitching rules versus better competition. Should be interesting weekend..



I totally agree. HP Generals appear to be the team to beat. Top to bottom, they are very solid. Looks like they've only had 1 competitive game this Fall. I'm sure some teams will surprise once the Spring rolls around and we haven't seen some teams this Fall that are expected to compete with the big boys. But, based on what we've seen so far, HP Generals and Smartense are loaded. Smyrna Slammers, Team 360 Hawks Blue, and Team Elite (Black) have looked good. You've got to think that Squeeze, Astros, Gainesville, Cellblock will be in the discussion as usual. Interested to see what NYO, Buckhead Braves, and Sandy Plains Prowlers will look like this year. Titans Blue should continue to be one of the top teams. The initial list of the 41 Majors teams is definitely a stretch, but it shows there are still a number of teams in this age group that can compete at a pretty high level.

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TeamFirst

10 Posts

Posted - 10/05/2018 :  10:09:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
EC Astros will have something to say about HP Generals being at the top. Also the Gainesville Braves team made additions - don't sleep on them. Smartense and GA Power as well. I have not seen HP Generals play and while I know they added players, they lost some as well. I am skeptical if they are really as good as everyone is saying - a couple top players doesn't make a team great -having good players top to bottom makes it great.

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Southside Boys

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Posted - 10/17/2018 :  22:14:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
EC Astros gets run ruled by HP Generals just like everyone else has.
Championships can come south and not just in Cobb County.
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