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| Stixxbaseball |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 18:42:05
We are new to this quality of baseball and enjoying every bit of it. I am just curious as to how deep of a pitching staff will be needed to have success in such a big tournament. I know some will not want to reveal this but how many pitchers do you think will be required to go the distance? Will most teams use their 4-6 pitchers in the pool games or will it go deeper? |
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| Strike 2 |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 00:45:49
That 10U "stud" has growth plates. Please do some research. It is readily available. Would like to see that "stud" in the College World Series one day. And I don't mean selling popcorn. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 19:45:14
Thats the whole thing Im prepairing an arm for highschool stay away from curves and best pitch is a fast ball, control is the kee. For 10u a 62mph fast ball and a 45mph changeup with some control and the ability to hit the spots you got a stud. |
| beanball |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 13:37:27
MJB -- totaly agree |
| jslmjb |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 11:26:09
I totally disagree; long toss and throwing at practice is not the same as any game. If we are throwing our boys that many pitches even in the heat of the summer we are lowering their chances if and when they get to high school. I am not going to be responsible for arm trouble in high school. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 02/18/2009 : 23:00:19
On a nice 72 degree Championship Sunday, regaurdless if its early season these boy's have been throwing 4 times a week at practice including long toss every time for the past two and a half months. I think 85 or 90 would be a good number for that much practice and that temp. |
| greglomax |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 16:52:16
Also, don't stick them at catcher and have them throw another 50 throws back and forth with the pitcher(s). |
| beanball |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 13:32:38
We played a team this weekend and their starter threw 61 on Saturday night. I agree too many for this early. Another thing to keep in mind is when these boys are finished pitching don't put them in the outfield and expect them to make a throw to the plate. |
| jslmjb |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 11:39:35
We witnessed a 12u pitcher this past weekend in a championship game in 45 degree weather throw 71 pitches not including warm ups in 3 innings. We ask one of the coaches if they had their pitchers on a pitch count and they replied yes and said they had him at 61 pitches, not including warm ups. Still way to many this early; I wonder what some people are doiong with our young players. |
| DecaturDad |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 11:30:12
The team we joined is all about having fun and future growth. That is why we joined. At 9, my son is 5'1" 100 lbs, so he is not small. But his growth plate is still growing.
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| bmoser |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 10:38:01
Go to these tourneys Sunday night, look at their innings pitched boards...you'll be amazed! I don't count innings, I count game pitches. My son's 9 too, and his Feb pitch count is 35, March 40, April 45, May 50, June 55, and that's it. Warm ups and getting the 3rd out in an inning adds more, which is why my #'s may seem low.
I also won't allow consecutive days which I just saw in a tourney this past weekend. This kid was generating big torque too. 40+ pitches/day in February w/ sub 50 degree temps.
Size of the boy and how much torque he generates are also factors. My son's ~70 lbs, (skin 'n bones), yet throws 55. More torque on his growth plates than a 90 pounder throwing 50.
Don't be shy about your son's safety. Make sure his prospective teams have plenty of good pitching. I even count hard throws in fielding practice! You'd be shocked to see how fast they add up, especially when they start doing around the horn & outfield flies, then rotating.
50 is my practice limit for early Spring.
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
How many younger teams take their pitchers to the max innings per weekend? I have a 9U son who has the potential to be a great pitcher. (yes, I am biased.) But I will not let him pitch 6 innings in a game. I still want him to be able to throw at 20. I assume that will limit his chances of making some teams, but that is Ok with me.
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| DecaturDad |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 07:52:32
How many younger teams take their pitchers to the max innings per weekend? I have a 9U son who has the potential to be a great pitcher. (yes, I am biased.) But I will not let him pitch 6 innings in a game. I still want him to be able to throw at 20. I assume that will limit his chances of making some teams, but that is Ok with me. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 22:55:48
I gave the pitching for the Frost. I forgot Stixx are'nt in the Frost he's asking about Super NIT. I thought USSSA was 9 innings no more than 6 a day. If you make it to the championship game thats 6 games. On the avg. 5 innings per game because of time thats 25 innings plus the championship it's 6 innings thats 31 innings.You would have to have at least 5 pitchers that pitch out if each game goes 6 innings. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 19:12:14
Is anybody up to researching pitching rules for these first few tournaments especially the TC Spring Frost, Forsyth SlugFest and Super NIT. Without even knowing I doubt any of us have enough pitching as I believe you can never have enough pitching. I remember we ran out of pitching at the Super NIT last year and ended up throwing 2 boys that had never pitched an inning and overcame the pitching with a barrage of hits that couldn't have came at a better time. The championship game was 11-10 and ended at 2AM. |
| Strike 2 |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 16:24:23
AGE DIVISION COLUMN A COLUMN B
7U – 12U 6 9
13U – 14U 7 11
15U – 18U UNLIMITED UNLIMITED
Chart 8.08.G-1
8.08.G.1 Column A: The maximum number of innings a player can pitch in one (1) day.
8.08.G.2 Column B: The maximum number of innings a player can pitch in three (3) consecutive days.
Rule 8.08.G.2 Comment: For age divisions 7U – 12U, this is to be interpreted as a player can pitch
any combination of innings that equals nine (9) as long as he doesn’t pitch more than six (6) innings
in any one day pursuant to Rule 8.08.G.1.
Rule 8.08.G.2 Comment: For age divisions 13U – 14U, this is to be interpreted as a player can pitch
any combination of innings that equals eleven (11) as long as he doesn’t pitch more than seven (7)
innings in any one day pursuant to Rule 8.08.G.1.
8.08.G.3 In age divisions 7U – 14U, any player that pitches three (3) consecutive days must rest the next two
(2) consecutive days. |
| greglomax |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 09:03:43
Strategies about the use of pitching varies from team to team. I have seen, and been involved in a few of the approaches. Some coaches prefer to try to get the higher seeding and hope to get easier matchups early in elimination play so they can save pitchers for the semi and championship games. While others prefer to use certain pitchers in pool games and save others for semi's and championship games, not caring where they seed out. (Given the level of teams in this area, getting the top seed does not always seem to get you an easier opponent in the first round. It is only beneficial if you can get a first round bye, or keeps you from having to play a "play-in" game).
As a rough rule of thumb, to win a tournament, you need at least one pitcher for the # of games it will take to win the tournament. (Most of the time pitchers won't throw a whole game, but pitch a couple of innings on one day, then come back and throw a couple more on another day.)
I have seen some really tough Championship games go from a battle to a blowout because one team ran out of pitching. |
| Stixxbaseball |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 21:46:13
Is this right? I know you get 6 for Triple Crown but I thought USSSA was 11 innings.
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Originally posted by 10 BB
The thing is there will be a gold bracket and a silver bracket after pool play.You want to be in the gold one thats who is playing for the championship. Score a bunch give up a few, remember pitchers only get 6 innings. You get one more inning for the fifth game and so on.
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| bmoser |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 21:40:22
6 is the absolute minimum, especially this early in the season when the boys arms are not ready to go 60 pitches. This is where teams like Mizuno, who might show up with 14 players have an advantage.
I'd say most of the teams in your class have more than 6. 8 should be fine w/o hurting anybody.
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Originally posted by Stixxbaseball
Also, how deep in pitching are most of these teams?
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| 10 BB |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 21:29:33
The thing is there will be a gold bracket and a silver bracket after pool play.You want to be in the gold one thats who is playing for the championship. Score a bunch give up a few, remember pitchers only get 6 innings. You get one more inning for the fifth game and so on. |
| Stixxbaseball |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 21:13:18
Also, how deep in pitching are most of these teams? |
