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| baseballpapa |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 08:52:41
Need to find this out fast. blind draw, points or what. Need some of you techno geeks with algo whatever you called them are (algorithms) I believe. In my time something like that would bite you. But back to the point and you might all agree with this. One of the key pieces of luck will be the pool pairings. Also will all of the teams go into the championship bracket the way they did at SlugFest. Boys these are good questions so help me get the answer for all of the posters. |
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| lifeguard |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 16:47:38
Also, keep in mind that in 2006 and 2007, there were only two pools, even with 30+ teams. So its really a tossup until the director releases the draw with the number of pools.
Doug will know better, but there is also the use of last seasons final point standings used for those teams tied with 0 points this early in the season. |
| mstimpson |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 16:33:56
baseballpapa brings up an exceleent point. The point system gives some teams a false sense of security. I am mainly familiar with 9U, but there are several very good teams going into the Super NIT that have not played any U-trip events or may be only one by the time the tournament roles around. On the contrary and not to a fault of their own, some teams may have a ton of points and played in U-trip events with limited numbers of teams. I look at the 9U pool for example; you have very good teams like MSA Black(Michigan), Cincy Flames(Ohio), ECB Braves, Team ECB, ECB Stars, Yard Dogs, teams that have not played in a U-Trip tournament or only 1 and have a 0 to low point totals compared to others that may not play at their level, but entered a lot of tournaments. It would be nice to see the power rating come into play a little more. I personally go into the U-trip website and look at the competition of the teams that have a high point total. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 14:14:46
The tough part of this equation is that with this many elite teams and many not having any Utrip points yet due to not playing some of the lower ranked teams will end up being some powerhouse. Luck will play a huge role in how this tournament plays out |
| rjrousseau1 |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 12:27:58
Depending on the # of teams all do NOT go into single elimination after bracket play. The last 2 years (12s in 2007 then 13s in 2008) I believe 24 teams were entered and the top 16 made the championship bracket. The other 8 teams were each given 1 consolation game on Sunday, it's not a consolation bracket... it's 1 game. That was what happened in 2007 and what would have happened in 2008 if they didn't go to the 30 minute game set up on Sunday due to rain on Fri/Sat. |
| ingasven |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 11:11:19
Pools are determined by U-Trip points. Here's a really rough example...
Team A 10 points
Team B 20 points
Team C 30 points
Team D 40 points
Team E 50 points
Team F 60 points
Team G 70 points
Team H 80 points
Pool A... Team H...then Team A
Pool B ...Team G...then Team B
Pool C ...Team F...then Team C
Pool D ...Team E...then Team D
in the above example... he would start in pool A & work down placing H,G,F,E then starts in pool D and works back up placing D,C,B,A according to U-trip points.
Whatever the number of pools the director decides there will be, he'll still use this alternating format based on points to place teams into pools using a "snaking" method. A,B,C,D,D,C,B,A,A,B,C,D, etc. I'm not completely sure exactly how, but I do believe previous years points or power ranking can come into play also if numerous teams have 0 points.
In a perfect world every team entered would have accumulated U-trip points, preferably all different amounts, then you could figure pool draws assuming you knew how many pools the director was going to utilize.
Doug Bailey, if you see this please correct me!!!
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| baseball99 |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 10:36:49
To follow is the only info I could find on the tourney website. Doesn't mention how they are paired exactly. This could be lethal for some as there are plenty of STRONG teams with low point totals.
Teams shall be seeded in pools by USSSA Points totals at the time of seeding and will play a round robin within their pool. |
| greglomax |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 09:38:20
USSSA SUPER NIT and State Tournaments (many others do as well) are pooled based on USSSA points. What you don't know is how many pools they will use. If memory serves me well, everyone goes to elimination play as single elimination. The only thing querky that happens is like last year when the weather got bad and they had to go to a shootout format (30 minutes or 3 innings).
As for the seeding, you should be able to look at the on the tournament itself (not the list of "Look who's coming" but the actual team list assigned to the tournament on the tournament list section. ) to see the order. They should be ranked based on points. The pools should be built by serpentining through the pools. The problem with estimating what that would look like is dependent on knowing the number of pools. At 13U there will be 30 teams which could be divided into 6 pools of 5, 5 pools of 6, 10 pools of 3, etc. I guess we will know when the schedules come out.
I agree, baseballpapa, that winning one of these has as much to do with naviagtion as it does with talent.
If you want to see a monster tournament to naviage, look at the 13U Battle in the South. It is a "Murderer's Row" of teams to naviage through.
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| Rocky |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 09:23:31
From what I was told:
Teams shall be seeded in pools by USSSA Points totals at the time of seeding and will play a round robin within their pool. All teams shall advance to the single elimination Championship Bracket. Teams are guaranteed three (3) games, weather and other Acts of God permitting. |
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