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| coachdan06 |
Posted - 05/18/2009 : 01:48:13
so many websites of teams dont include there w & l record.
ones that confuse me show 0-0 : why dont they post there true record or have they been rained out every week
what is this about
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| ronicard |
Posted - 05/22/2009 : 07:44:24
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by bmoser
Every scrap of data an opponent can gather about your team can and will be used against them. Why make it any easier for opposing Coaches? Coaches knowing nothing lets the boys decide it on the playing field.
So my son's team beats the Northside Varmints 8-6 on a Wednesday in early March. Loses to them in a pool game in mid-April 10-3. Beats them in a bracket game 4-1 in mid-May. All this is on my Web Site. Any coach smart enough to turn that into a cogent scouting report needs to be working on a cure for cancer or world peace, not strategizing for an 11 YO baseball game.
So what team does your son play for? Given those scores, now we know how to pitch against you.  Just kidding.
However, I will say that, as a coach, one of the biggest challenges you will face is the decision of who to put on the mound. Suppose I have 4 pitchers on my team who are power pitchers, then I have 4 other pitchers who rely on movement, change of speeds, and off-speed pitches to get batters out. If I'm in a tournament that is going to require me to play 4 games on a Sunday to win the tournament, then my ideal would be to save my power guys as much as possible for games later in the day. But to get the best seeding spots, I have to hold the scores down in pool play. So, it's a constant juggling act to decide who you let pitch and in what games. You want to save the arms of all of your pitching but you also don't want to end up giving up tons of runs, or worse, losing the game.
If I know nothing about your team, but if I have played the Northside Varmints before and think they're a solid team, at the very least, I could look at those 3 scores and make a judgement that your team appears to be slightly better than the Varmints. Along those lines, I would probably be more inclined to at least begin the game with the power guys against you. I usually tend to follow the logic that it does me no good to save my pitching for a game I won't get to play. If we played you and got an early lead, I would go to one of the 4 non-power guys, but otherwise, you're going to see the power guys the entire game. |
| coachdan06 |
Posted - 05/22/2009 : 00:09:10
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Originally posted by wildcats9596
This is the first time I've ever noticed schedules and W-L records passcoded. We put our record on there warts and all. I know that I've seen non-tournament wins of ours not listed as a loss by our opponents when I know if they had won, they would have listed it.
No big deal we know what we are and who we've played and the way news travels in travel ball, there aren't any secrets anyway.
I really don't understand passcoding the schedule though. It guarantees that your team won't get an invite to our park, because I look for available teams on our open dates and try to set games up with them.
Agreed because if you have a winning record you want to post it.
So if you have a losing record total or even over a few weeks you still post it you update it otherwise what exactly are you telling the kids ? That you are shamed? |
| AllStar |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 16:35:06
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Originally posted by bmoser
Every scrap of data an opponent can gather about your team can and will be used against them. Why make it any easier for opposing Coaches? Coaches knowing nothing lets the boys decide it on the playing field.
So my son's team beats the Northside Varmints 8-6 on a Wednesday in early March. Loses to them in a pool game in mid-April 10-3. Beats them in a bracket game 4-1 in mid-May. All this is on my Web Site. Any coach smart enough to turn that into a cogent scouting report needs to be working on a cure for cancer or world peace, not strategizing for an 11 YO baseball game. |
| Whitlow |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 14:28:34
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
bmoser,
Don't turn this into soccer. 
Not keeping score? You are on the wrong board.
I think you are putting way too much into the availability of the data.
Looking at a score by an opposing coach and making plans based on it can have as much negative effects as positive. You have to know the basis behind the game. Was it a pool game, or elimination game? Did the team have players hurt, or everyone available? Was the weather bad or good? Did the umpire squeeze the pitchers/expand the pitchers or have a regular strike zone?
People like to see the data as much to see how results turned out rather than for planning purposes.
I agree I hate going to baseball websites that only have their homepage accessible.
Here are some examples of good baseball websites
This one tells everyone what tourney's they plan on playing, standings, has pictures, etc and even music they change ever so often:
http://www.eteamz.com/GeorgiaGrip10U/
Another is the Bandits have some nice pictures and their standings, but of course it is 28-1
http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?cmenuid=1&url=ban&sid=91796816
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| ronicard |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 10:34:45
We passcode ours because it may make a difference on who a team decides to pitch against you in pool play. If the other team knows nothing about you and don't know that you have a strong record, they may opt to try and start a lower starter; whereas, if they see an impressive record, you're more likely to see their top guys.
I know a lot of teams feel differently though. |
| Dr. Old School |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 09:40:13
bmoser,
Don't turn this into soccer.
Not keeping score? You are on the wrong board.
I think you are putting way too much into the availability of the data.
Looking at a score by an opposing coach and making plans based on it can have as much negative effects as positive. You have to know the basis behind the game. Was it a pool game, or elimination game? Did the team have players hurt, or everyone available? Was the weather bad or good? Did the umpire squeeze the pitchers/expand the pitchers or have a regular strike zone?
People like to see the data as much to see how results turned out rather than for planning purposes.
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| bmoser |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 08:59:53
Every scrap of data an opponent can gather about your team can and will be used against them. Why make it any easier for opposing Coaches? Coaches knowing nothing lets the boys decide it on the playing field.
Since I've read on this posting board over again that almost nothing matters until the boys reach 14-15 years of age, why are we even keeping score? Why post it (from 4U to 13u) if it's so trivial?
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| wildcats9596 |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 22:34:50
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Originally posted by Whitlow
I don't see why wins/loses should be passcoded. If you can find the teams league,etc. it will be posted whether it is USSSA, Lanier League, NWBA, GGBL, etc.
I can see passcoding the STATs because you don't what anyone pitching around your top hitters.
I really don't see much of a purpose of having a website if you don't post anything and everything is passcoded. It really defeats the purpose to me. Most parents don't want to fool around with entering login username and passwords either. They just wanted to read about the HR, double or great play they're kid made.
This is the first time I've ever noticed schedules and W-L records passcoded. We put our record on there warts and all. I know that I've seen non-tournament wins of ours not listed as a loss by our opponents when I know if they had won, they would have listed it.
No big deal we know what we are and who we've played and the way news travels in travel ball, there aren't any secrets anyway.
I really don't understand passcoding the schedule though. It guarantees that your team won't get an invite to our park, because I look for available teams on our open dates and try to set games up with them. |
| Whitlow |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 16:15:15
I don't see why wins/loses should be passcoded. If you can find the teams league,etc. it will be posted whether it is USSSA, Lanier League, NWBA, GGBL, etc.
I can see passcoding the STATs because you don't what anyone pitching around your top hitters.
I really don't see much of a purpose of having a website if you don't post anything and everything is passcoded. It really defeats the purpose to me. Most parents don't want to fool around with entering login username and passwords either. They just wanted to read about the HR, double or great play they're kid made. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 05/19/2009 : 18:53:11
I think this info hurts the team posting it. I'd passcode it for the teams familes, and lock it out to others. |
| gasbag |
Posted - 05/19/2009 : 12:37:28
It's difficult to post win / loss records as many teams play " scrimmage games" during the week albeit it with umpires and they do keep score but many of these games are used as teaching experiences and practice vs. true games. You also have coaches who try out varying scenario's ( tweaking batting order, new position players etc ) during these games as well. Some teams will include these events in their players statistics and some won't. Some only utilize the true tournaments for average etc. It all depends on the coach and their philosophy.
In short, even if they all posted win/loss, it would be apples and oranges and very difficult to decipher for analysis sake. IMO |
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