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| baseballpapa |
Posted - 06/02/2009 : 18:05:28
Does anyone know if there is a formula for assigning pool play in Triple Crown. Is there a point system similiar to USSSA and USTBA or are pool draws strictly up to the discretion of the tournament director.
I have scratched by head so much that my hair is beginning to fall out and for the ones of you that have seen me you know that I don't have much hair to spare.
Can someone tell my how Tony could assign the Bandits and 643 to the same pool.
Now once you answer that can you give the Bandits some good advice on how to play our pitching card in this situation. Do we run out our best pitching, get a good seed and hope for the best or do we tank the pool so that we can play with our best in the ocean.
This is a Moser type question and I am sure that he will be glad to help his friends the Bandits out. Not to mention that 643 can use this online advice as it would apply to them also.
And my last question is for someone that would know Tony well. Could you tell me where he is buying his Kool-Aid as I would like to go shopping for some of this Kool-Aid. |
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| baseballpapa |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 17:40:43
Alter-Ego: The point you made about the other teams throwing their very best foot forward to play us was well stated. It's getting to where it seems that the team puts more into beating us than into winning the tournament. I am glad that our little guys have earned this type respect because at the end of the day it is very important how the other teams look at you. We really want to be the type of team that earns the respect that we are looking for. Our little guys do not have a cocky bone in their bodies and just are just like the other guys in that all they want to do is to play some baseball with their friends.
The other teams are also gaining something (Confidence) that will be very important in their formula for trying to beat us. I have noticed at the fields and talked to some of the other teams fans and they all look forward to the opportunity to knock us off the mountain and this is exactly what this game of baseball should be because as hard as they are trying to knock us off we will holding on to the top of the last tree hopefully kicking them back down to the valley.
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| baseballpapa |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 16:17:14
Bandits wanted to play but with as many as 7 games to play this weekend and then start back up Monday we felt like that might put too much pressure on our young arms before Cooperstown and did not want to take this chance without giving them some rest. I understand the field is small but filled with elite teams. Should be a good one. |
| longhorn1 |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 12:50:33
There are 12 next week. Also must understand this is major state. Not quite the same mix as TC. We will miss your Bandits. Maybe we will see you guys late-very late this weekend. |
| Sox |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 10:44:48
12 Team USSSA State, Its posted on the USSSA site |
| bmoser |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 10:44:40
USSSA is struggling to field a large 10U AAA State tourney as well. Only 9 teams are trying to qualify. They'll be fine in 10U AA though.
It seems that in the 10U group, the stronger teams are gravitating towards TC and USTBA, while weaker teams are sticking with USSSA. USSSA is stronger in the Southern ATL suburbs, with TC and USTBA dominating the Northern arc.
Strong teams are playing Grand Slam World Series and/or Cooperstown instead of USSSA.
Do these trends hold true in the other age groups?
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| prowlergm |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 10:43:39
USSSA is dying a slow death, Triple Crown and USTBA are going to be the 2 to play with for years to come in GA. When USSSA and BPA can only muster 4-8 teams per tournament per class, they will attract no teams. People want to play multiple teams of many differing competition levels that is the only way the boys at all ages will get better. The format of putting everyone in pool play, and then letting them play it out into different brackets it the way to go in my estimation. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 10:08:46
baseballpapa,
I don't know of any specific points system used by TC. I think it is something they should look into, though. Although that seems to bring on as much argument as not having one (just ask USTBA).
On the other topic, you will begin to see that the better the team gets, the fewer "Easy" games you will get. Every team will come after you, hoping to beat you. In many cases, it can make their tournament to beat you, regardless if they win another game that weekend. You will see their best pitcher(s) and even if you win, the only thing you have done is wear them down for their next opponent. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 07:07:22
My original question asked if there was a formula that Triple Crown uses to assign the pools. I understand and have no problem with how the pools are this time but I was wondering how they came to be. In USSSA and USTBA I have been told that the points earned by playing in these orgainziations are used to assist in assigning pools.
I know of no points or ranking system with Triple Crown and was just wondering if all of this is up to Tony's discretion or if win-loss records, head to head or other things similiar to this are used in the assignments. I would think that it would almost be impossible for Tony to keep up with this many teams without some sort of system.
I love Triple Crown and feel that they do a great job overall but do feel that some sort of ranking system should be the next thing on their agenda.
I also feel that Triple Crown is positioned to become the premier youth baseball organization in Georgia and to offer proof of this I heard that the USSSA State tournament have less 8 ten year old teams playing in the State tournament. I hope that this is not true and I do not know for sure but that is what I was told. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 22:06:28
AlterEgo: Believe me when I tell you that we don't mind playing 643 and that if we are not ready for the tough games by now that we will never be ready. It seems like all that we play are tough games and I can assure that our guys are battle tested but I have also noticed that they are also showing signs of battle fatique. It is always a pleasure to share the field with Danny and his guys as they are always ready and always a challenge and win or lose we will become better for playing them.
This is also one of most exciting things about this 10 year old group. We all play with heart and give our all to win but we also all seem to have a great amount of respect for our opponents and wish them well when we are not playing them. Just a word of caution for the folks talking about 643 and the Bandits. Do not forget for one minute that the Chili Dogs, Kennesaw, and Sandtown are still forces to be reckoned with.
And you are also right about the strategy that each team will use for this tournament format. I really feel that in the short run that we can play any team in the nation with our top pitching on the mound and expect a win but what most folk don't know is that our pitching staff is also very deep with quality pitching down into the #6 slot and I am sure that we will need every inning from every pitcher to survive this one.
Good Luck to all. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 09:48:03
papa,
I would say the Bandits and 6-4-3 would rather meet up in pool play than the first round of elimination play.
If it were me, I would be glad to have the good competition, which makes the boys better. Playing weak teams at 10U does not make you strong at 12, 13, or 14. Being in the tough games, now, teaches them how to work through it and succeed. It also can force the coaches to use some strategy, and pitchers, that could ultimately help in the long run. It should not be merely about winning this one tournament, because as many have stated on here, no one can remember who won the Triple Crown State Tournament 3 years ago at 10U but they do know the players that came out of playing some big games.
As for how to approach the pool game, that has been the age long phylosophical debate:
*Do you win the pool to try and get a weaker opponent in the first couple of elim games or conserve pitching because there are no guarantees that if you won the pool you opponent would truly be a weak team (vs a good team having a bad weekend).
Pick your poision, or take it as a challenge to win the game without sacrificing your best pitching. |
| tater77bug |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 08:51:55
Come on papa...you guys aren't going to tank a game...I hope you guys throw your best against each other....I believe they get innings back after some rest any way...good luck...quote:
Originally posted by bmoser
baseballpapa,
Your plan wont work. The Bandits don't know how to tank a pool game.
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| bmoser |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 08:03:39
baseballpapa,
Your plan wont work. The Bandits don't know how to tank a pool game.
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| stinger |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 07:01:02
quote:
Originally posted by baseballpapa
Does anyone know if there is a formula for assigning pool play in Triple Crown. Is there a point system similiar to USSSA and USTBA or are pool draws strictly up to the discretion of the tournament director.
I have scratched by head so much that my hair is beginning to fall out and for the ones of you that have seen me you know that I don't have much hair to spare.
Can someone tell my how Tony could assign the Bandits and 643 to the same pool.
Now once you answer that can you give the Bandits some good advice on how to play our pitching card in this situation. Do we run out our best pitching, get a good seed and hope for the best or do we tank the pool so that we can play with our best in the ocean.
This is a Moser type question and I am sure that he will be glad to help his friends the Bandits out. Not to mention that 643 can use this online advice as it would apply to them also.
And my last question is for someone that would know Tony well. Could you tell me where he is buying his Kool-Aid as I would like to go shopping for some of this Kool-Aid.
The Bandits are in a Pool D with Wills Park Wranglers & Sandy Plains Wildcats. 643 is in a Pool C with N. GA Barons & Sharon Springs Blue. All of the teams in Pool C play all of the teams in Pool D.
If you look at the pools, it appears that each pool has a Top Level team (Bandits, 643), a next level team (SP Wildcats, Sharon Springs Blue), and a mid-level team (Wranglers, Barons).
For 10u, I think TC did a good job of splitting the teams up. It just happens that the pools for 643 & Bandits play each other this time. This means one of these teams will have to work their way out of a mid-level seed to win the State Championship. It should be fun to see how Coach Danny & Coach Troy play this one. I would recommend they both throw their aces so everyone else has a chance when bracket play comes around ;) |
