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| Punishers |
Posted - 05/08/2016 : 05:43:15
What should a parent ask before joining a team?
I have a few questions in mind, but I will let everyone chime in. |
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/22/2017 : 07:24:49
This one came up in talking to a friend. IF your kid is older, say 13u/14u and he wants to play in high school and college you want to be at a park that has teams that are 16/17/18u. MANY parks/organizations pop up out of no where but they are ages 14u and below...they are not going to help your kid develop into a college player, or have contacts at colleges. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 06/21/2017 : 19:47:10
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Originally posted by GAtraveldad
Of course no matter what questions you ask you always have to assume they are all liars... I can point out an academy in Cobb County that advertise every year they have 36 open spots on their teams but they are really looking to get your tryout money... they are looking for 1 or 2, maybe.
There are some in Gwinnett that are popping up all over the place. I am against these big academy types in every way. They are nothing but money hogs and want money for every and any thing. |
| GAtraveldad |
Posted - 06/21/2017 : 11:06:52
Of course no matter what questions you ask you always have to assume they are all liars... I can point out an academy in Cobb County that advertise every year they have 36 open spots on their teams but they are really looking to get your tryout money... they are looking for 1 or 2, maybe.
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/16/2017 : 10:17:53
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Originally posted by mikepayne
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by mikepayne
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Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
Great call. The kids not making their JV team because they can't run a 7:30 mile or the 60 time is too high is insane.
Who cares what a catcher or third baseman's time is in the mile.
Full disclosure my son is "not fast".
Different note, I watched Moneyball again last night. That is a pretty good baseball movie. The starting rotation played a big role on that team and should have gotten a mention.
Mike, the coach has to weed out the kids somehow. If you have 80 people show up for 40 spots wouldn't you want to weed out the non-athletes first?
A 60 time GREATLY determines if you can beat out a throw to first, or get to second on a well hit ball. 7:30 for a mile is actually a long time for an athlete. Most can run it under 6:00, and several are going to be under 5. When you get to High School it's suppose to be about the athletic kids.
There are ways for your son to increase his speed but if memory serves he hasn't hit his real growth spurt yet. That is when my son got his speed.
I care about the 60 time for the middle of the field players not counting the catcher that makes 3 positions and backups at those positions. To cut players based on their mile time seems short sighted, you may miss a great player. I had typed out a much longer post but decided to use the much under utilized edit button.
Feel free to message me the longer version. I guess the distinction of who is short sighted depends on "what is a great player" to that coach. I think a coach would be wildly disappointed if the team had a hard time hitting in a game and then a kid got up, crushed the ball to the fence and could only make it to first base, and could not possibly steal second. |
| jbarley |
Posted - 06/16/2017 : 08:02:01
I guess you need to ask the big question
1. if we get butt hurt and quit do we get a refund |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/16/2017 : 07:33:12
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Originally posted by Renegade44
Judging from many responses lately on this forum. The main questions that need to be asked before joining a travel ball team is:
1.) Do we have cookies and cream after the game?
2.) Is their a parent that frequently uses the phrase "It's alright Johnny, you just missed it, maybe next time" or some derivative of that phrase?
3.) Is it only just $4,000 per season? Not including uniform! Can I buy an extra jersey with my sons name on it?
4.) Can we play the most ever 4 day weekend tournaments? The workday baseball games keep the riffraff away from us elite people.
5.) How much entitlement attitude can Johnny get away with before we blame all his ills on the coach.
6.) What academy name are we renting with your fees? Its important for middle school recruiting that I play for the Premier Elite Showcase National Star Prospects Black brand.
7.) My commitment clock is running. I need to get committed for twitter press. My 13th birthday is coming soon.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I love this list! |
| mikepayne |
Posted - 06/16/2017 : 01:36:18
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade44
Judging from many responses lately on this forum. The main questions that need to be asked before joining a travel ball team is:
1.) Do we have cookies and cream after the game?
2.) Is their a parent that frequently uses the phrase "It's alright Johnny, you just missed it, maybe next time" or some derivative of that phrase?
3.) Is it only just $4,000 per season? Not including uniform! Can I buy an extra jersey with my sons name on it?
4.) Can we play the most ever 4 day weekend tournaments? The workday baseball games keep the riffraff away from us elite people.
5.) How much entitlement attitude can Johnny get away with before we blame all his ills on the coach.
6.) What academy name are we renting with your fees? Its important for middle school recruiting that I play for the Premier Elite Showcase National Star Prospects Black brand.
7.) My commitment clock is running. I need to get committed for twitter press. My 13th birthday is coming soon.
As a kid the team mom would bring us a tray full of fountain Cokes from the concession stand after each game with a treat. Those were the days (before New Coke in case you were wondering).
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| mikepayne |
Posted - 06/16/2017 : 01:30:44
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by mikepayne
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Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
Great call. The kids not making their JV team because they can't run a 7:30 mile or the 60 time is too high is insane.
Who cares what a catcher or third baseman's time is in the mile.
Full disclosure my son is "not fast".
Different note, I watched Moneyball again last night. That is a pretty good baseball movie. The starting rotation played a big role on that team and should have gotten a mention.
Mike, the coach has to weed out the kids somehow. If you have 80 people show up for 40 spots wouldn't you want to weed out the non-athletes first?
A 60 time GREATLY determines if you can beat out a throw to first, or get to second on a well hit ball. 7:30 for a mile is actually a long time for an athlete. Most can run it under 6:00, and several are going to be under 5. When you get to High School it's suppose to be about the athletic kids.
There are ways for your son to increase his speed but if memory serves he hasn't hit his real growth spurt yet. That is when my son got his speed.
I care about the 60 time for the middle of the field players not counting the catcher that makes 3 positions and backups at those positions. To cut players based on their mile time seems short sighted, you may miss a great player. I had typed out a much longer post but decided to use the much under utilized edit button.
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| Renegade44 |
Posted - 06/15/2017 : 21:01:17
Judging from many responses lately on this forum. The main questions that need to be asked before joining a travel ball team is:
1.) Do we have cookies and cream after the game?
2.) Is their a parent that frequently uses the phrase "It's alright Johnny, you just missed it, maybe next time" or some derivative of that phrase?
3.) Is it only just $4,000 per season? Not including uniform! Can I buy an extra jersey with my sons name on it?
4.) Can we play the most ever 4 day weekend tournaments? The workday baseball games keep the riffraff away from us elite people.
5.) How much entitlement attitude can Johnny get away with before we blame all his ills on the coach.
6.) What academy name are we renting with your fees? Its important for middle school recruiting that I play for the Premier Elite Showcase National Star Prospects Black brand.
7.) My commitment clock is running. I need to get committed for twitter press. My 13th birthday is coming soon.
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/15/2017 : 13:19:31
quote:
Originally posted by mikepayne
quote:
Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
Great call. The kids not making their JV team because they can't run a 7:30 mile or the 60 time is too high is insane.
Who cares what a catcher or third baseman's time is in the mile.
Full disclosure my son is "not fast".
Different note, I watched Moneyball again last night. That is a pretty good baseball movie. The starting rotation played a big role on that team and should have gotten a mention.
Mike, the coach has to weed out the kids somehow. If you have 80 people show up for 40 spots wouldn't you want to weed out the non-athletes first?
A 60 time GREATLY determines if you can beat out a throw to first, or get to second on a well hit ball. 7:30 for a mile is actually a long time for an athlete. Most can run it under 6:00, and several are going to be under 5. When you get to High School it's suppose to be about the athletic kids.
There are ways for your son to increase his speed but if memory serves he hasn't hit his real growth spurt yet. That is when my son got his speed. |
| mikepayne |
Posted - 06/14/2017 : 16:07:41
quote:
Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
Great call. The kids not making their JV team because they can't run a 7:30 mile or the 60 time is too high is insane.
Who cares what a catcher or third baseman's time is in the mile.
Full disclosure my son is "not fast".
Different note, I watched Moneyball again last night. That is a pretty good baseball movie. The starting rotation played a big role on that team and should have gotten a mention. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 06/21/2016 : 15:16:28
That time of season again. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 21:46:12
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Originally posted by in_the_know
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
The basketball team seems to have done well though.
They were 11-20.....Guess you need to add a question to your coach's questionnaire....What win-loss record do you consider as "doing well" in a season?
Better than last season. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 16:47:10
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
quote:
Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
The basketball team seems to have done well though.
They were 11-20.....Guess you need to add a question to your coach's questionnaire....What win-loss record do you consider as "doing well" in a season? |
| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 16:30:22
Punishers..ultimately it sounds like you are trying to offer high level competition to those who are looking for it and you have the kids best interest at heart...good luck! And Dansby Swanson is only 6'1" ft so there may be hope yet for those guys! |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 15:07:05
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by IBABASEBALL
My advice, save money on Speed and Agility and play basketball or another sport during the fall.
If you ask Kennesaw State Baseball what the #1 thing they are looking for in baseball players it is "Athletes".
So I have to agree with CaCO3 on this one.
So, Football started last week. It's going to be three days a week after school until school is out then 3 days a week having a morning workout from 7-10am, then back to after school training when school starts back up.
It's funny, when my son asked me "Is it going to be too much money for me to play football" I said "Nope, I was going to have to pay $300-$400 for speed and agility this summer anyway, now I don't have to, so really you are kind of saving me money". He told me that was a REALLY great way to look at it.
Football is the king of sports in the south. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 14:59:24
quote:
Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
The basketball team seems to have done well though. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 14:57:19
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Originally posted by lowandoutside
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by lowandoutside
To say coaches of college teams and scouts devalue multi-sports athletes is ridiculous. As CaCo3Girl mentioned, maybe when they get to college it is time to choose a sport and decide what their priority is. But, when in high school, many coaches and scouts look for players who play multiple sports. It tells them that the player is athletic. The article that was linked to earlier was a great read. But also take a look at the MLB Draft and at the players going on to play D1 baseball. A lot of the HS players play, and play well, multiple sports. Some do stop playing certain sports later in their HS careers, but that is to prevent injury and the possibility of losing a scholarship or de-valuing their draft stock. Look no further than right here in our back yard. Josh Lowe out of Pope HS is widely considered a first round draft pick and is signed to play for FSU. For years he played multiple sports, he was active in basketball, football, and soccer. But his passion was always for baseball. His passion never went away from the sport of baseball but he also participated in other sports. Playing these other sports certainly didn't prevent him from inking the offer to FSU or for climbing up the MLB draft board. Also take a look at Byron Buxton, considered the top prospect in major league baseball. In HS he played basketball and football. To say kids need to commit fully to baseball, especially at such an early age is absurd. Let the kids choose what they want. Some kids, like CaCO3Girl's, only want to play baseball and later decide to try other sports. By forcing a KID to choose one sport and one sport only will most likely burn the kid out and by the time the get to HS, they'll be ready to give up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Buxton
Take note to that page. Buxton planned to play baseball at UGA and walk-on the football team.
I planned on going to the moon, then reality settled in. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 14:56:05
quote:
Originally posted by BREAMKING
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol...
 OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!! |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 14:54:25
This thread has gotten a bit off-topic. I just wanted to hear what others wanted to ask to update my documented methods and processes.
Thanks to all for your input, I have way more than enough, just hate to waste ink and paper printing out all the pages.
Stay tuned for my next post: "What is Development?" |
| BREAMKING |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 14:33:20
Kennesaw state is sitting at 24-24 on the season so far. they were better when they got baseball players. lol... |
| lowandoutside |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 14:32:46
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
quote:
Originally posted by lowandoutside
To say coaches of college teams and scouts devalue multi-sports athletes is ridiculous. As CaCo3Girl mentioned, maybe when they get to college it is time to choose a sport and decide what their priority is. But, when in high school, many coaches and scouts look for players who play multiple sports. It tells them that the player is athletic. The article that was linked to earlier was a great read. But also take a look at the MLB Draft and at the players going on to play D1 baseball. A lot of the HS players play, and play well, multiple sports. Some do stop playing certain sports later in their HS careers, but that is to prevent injury and the possibility of losing a scholarship or de-valuing their draft stock. Look no further than right here in our back yard. Josh Lowe out of Pope HS is widely considered a first round draft pick and is signed to play for FSU. For years he played multiple sports, he was active in basketball, football, and soccer. But his passion was always for baseball. His passion never went away from the sport of baseball but he also participated in other sports. Playing these other sports certainly didn't prevent him from inking the offer to FSU or for climbing up the MLB draft board. Also take a look at Byron Buxton, considered the top prospect in major league baseball. In HS he played basketball and football. To say kids need to commit fully to baseball, especially at such an early age is absurd. Let the kids choose what they want. Some kids, like CaCO3Girl's, only want to play baseball and later decide to try other sports. By forcing a KID to choose one sport and one sport only will most likely burn the kid out and by the time the get to HS, they'll be ready to give up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Buxton
Take note to that page. Buxton planned to play baseball at UGA and walk-on the football team. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 13:55:08
quote:
Originally posted by IBABASEBALL
My advice, save money on Speed and Agility and play basketball or another sport during the fall.
If you ask Kennesaw State Baseball what the #1 thing they are looking for in baseball players it is "Athletes".
So I have to agree with CaCO3 on this one.
So, Football started last week. It's going to be three days a week after school until school is out then 3 days a week having a morning workout from 7-10am, then back to after school training when school starts back up.
It's funny, when my son asked me "Is it going to be too much money for me to play football" I said "Nope, I was going to have to pay $300-$400 for speed and agility this summer anyway, now I don't have to, so really you are kind of saving me money". He told me that was a REALLY great way to look at it. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 13:09:07
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Originally posted by Crazyforbball
My son, for one, actually IS obsessed with baseball and would gladly play, "train" and stay on the baseball field 24/7 if given the option. It is, without a doubt, his primary sport. He would actually probably love a team like yours, Punishers. However, we have played on teams where we have done tons of exhaustive practice and tournament play and with the exception of my son and maybe one other kid, most of them were starting to get pretty burned out by the end of the season. So I am saying its tough to find THAT many little ones that are that dedicated. Then we have played on teams where most of the kids were multi sports kids and out of necessity we had little fall or winter baseball action. To avoid total boredom, mine tried other sports and found he not only loved the other sports but was good at them too. I think this opens doors. I also read the research and so many MLB guys are encouraging the move away from year round baseball for super young kids due to the remarkable increase in injury, especially for pitchers. What better way to work on speed and agility in the off season, for example, than to play basketball? Or how about swimming for upper body strength? Ultimately you have to do what is best for your child. My main concerns are 1) overuse injury and 2) I would want to make sure my child could still earn his primary position when the season started if he was still the best player in that spot, and not be penalized for choosing to play a fall or winter sport. I don't believe a lesser player should be rewarded for just choosing baseball all year. I am speaking generally not to Punishers on that one. You do see that happen. Again we are talking about 10 year olds. Completely different when we are talking about high school age, where if you are a top prospect,it would be stupid to sit out fall perfect game showcases to have "fun" at another sport, but even then, overuse is a real concern for pitchers. But at 10 no scout is even looking at your kid, let alone crossing him off the list because he played football in the fall. And the 10 year old superstar who never tried anything else to play baseball year round may be greatly disappointed and pass up other real opportunities when he wakes up at 15 and finds out he is only going to be 5'5" .... baseball career over! Never touched a golf club, tennis raquet or lacrosse stick. Hope the grades are good!
Thanks for that.
It is true that at 10 they should have fun. Like education there is a time to get serious about things and a time to have fun. It has to be mixed in some sort of way. Playing other sports is great in my opinion. Basketball helps with conditioning, stamina and agility. Not so much with Football unless you are in a position that touches the ball. Basketball did help me with playing wide receiver in football. Being 6'5" with a 40 inch vertical didn't hurt either, easy catches when facing smaller corner backs and safeties. Just throw it up, it will be caught. A lot of basketball players make that transition easy.
Pitching 10 year old to death is not my thing. If I have 11 players, I have 11 pitchers. It's my job to make sure they are trained the proper way to pitch to avoid injuries. I've seen kids throw complex pitches in a few local games here and the coaches are ok with them pitching the entire game. Pitching is actually more lower half than arm strength. The way the team plays is a reflection of the coaching and training. As a coach, I fail if the players fail. I fail them.
On the height thing, it seems to matter to scouts. Whenever I pitch a kid to a scout the first question I get is "how tall is he"? They are on the 6'4" and above height thing for some reason. They want players who look athletic in their minds. Sad, cause there are some great smaller guys out there. Baseball is not a size dependent sport. |
| IBABASEBALL |
Posted - 05/12/2016 : 12:10:44
My advice, save money on Speed and Agility and play basketball or another sport during the fall.
If you ask Kennesaw State Baseball what the #1 thing they are looking for in baseball players it is "Athletes".
So I have to agree with CaCO3 on this one. |
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