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Big Daddy Posted - 01/02/2019 : 15:04:32
Wow, after 9 years of reading and contributing to this forum, I thought I'd share some perspective with the new guy out there, who is just like me from 9 years ago.

As a little background, I started on this forum as the proud dad of a 8U son on a decent travel baseball team. I was posting TOP 10 lists and arguing them ad nauseam, complaining about illegal bats and what the hell is BPF, how certain teams always got the sweet schedule and venue draw, discussing the hottest bat, and of course.....why USSSA stinks, lol.. Today, I am the proud dad of a 17U son that starts on competitive HS and travel baseball teams and I also have (2) stepsons that play D1 baseball. Over these last 10 years or so, I have learned a lot and compiled these thoughts in no particular order:

1. I have made life long friends at the ball park. I am very happy about that.
2. Sorry but the quality of baseball team that your son plays for under the age of 13U really doesn't matter that much. What does matter is that he is learning good fundamentals and having fun. If your kid can play, he can play on the top teams when he gets older. Driving 1 hour to and from practice 4 times a week at 9U so you can say your kid plays for (insert team name here) is a waste of time and effort at this point.
2A. Most teams at academies under the ages of 13U fund the older teams. The top talent on the 16-18U teams usually don't pay a penny to play to build the brand.
3. After about 13, push them to a team that matches their potential. You will want them to be middle of the road so they can be pushed. Even the least competitive kid will want to grow in front of his peers.
4. Fall baseball is mostly a waste of time and your kid needs a break. And to all the teams that think they are "all that" by winning a one day tournament in the fall, you will be proven wrong at your first tournament of the spring. Believe me.
5. Go to paid coaching as soon as possible....yes even 8 or 9. Daddy ball is the #1 most destructive force in youth baseball. Most teams can handle losing....but when you are losing because the coaches kid is an immovable object on the field or lineup, watch out.
6. Oh, and daddy ball exists at the HS level. It absolutely does.
7. Good players early are generally good as they get older.
8. Getting a college scholarship isn't near as hard as I thought it was. I had this grand illusion that the top 1% of the top 1% gets this opportunity. I was WRONG. If your kid is playing major level baseball at say 14U, he has a great chance to be a college baseball player IF HE WANTS. I'm not saying he will play D1, but certainly he can play after HS.
9. I am shocked at how lazy college coaches are with regard to recruitment. Think path of least resistance.
10. Perfect Game stats MATTER! Make sure the teenager plopping balls and strikes on his iPad at Lakepoint is accurate. I've seen kids pitch quality innings with lots of K's which were credited to a teammate. Perfect Game stats serve as a resume and absolutely is used by coaches. Yes, it's just a part of the equation but you better make sure it's correct! They will correct it if you ask! Should you do it if your son is 10U? NO! If he's 16U, absolutely.
11. In that same vein, some college coaches are going to be VERY disappointed with some of the players they "thought" they were getting. VERY DISAPPOINTED!
12. Starting in 9th grade, GRADES MATTER! Make sure your kid gets good grades or doors will close.
13. Your kid is going to sit when he gets older. The top teams with (30) kids on the roster have a lot of backs to scratch, so prepare to ride the pine. It's especially difficult if you take a day off to watch baseball while it's your kids turn to sit.
14. If your kid gets to play in college, every new year is like starting all over again. That's because the new JUCO transfer STUD wants your job and they hit 56 HR's and batted .800 last year at Chipola. Happens every year so don't think since your kid made it, it will last without hard work, commitment and focus.
15. My son driving himself to practice and to games 1 hour early might have been the most impactful thing that happened to me in his baseball career. Nothing quite like showing up at game time....

Anyway, that's all that came to mind on this rainy, crappy day at the office. Peace!

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GRenegades Posted - 01/28/2019 : 15:18:49
quote:
Originally posted by 743

Just curious so $500 total or are you also required to fund raise over that? Sounds like a great deal.



$500 total. We have business partnerships and organizational fundraising activities throughout the year that cover the rest. We're a true 501c3 without anyone who gets paid ... all the money is for the kids.

We do have a couple player-driven fundraisers for our Cooperstown participants which also teaches them about public speaking, service, leadership, etc. to raise money for their trip.




743 Posted - 01/28/2019 : 13:17:40
Just curious so $500 total or are you also required to fund raise over that? Sounds like a great deal.
GRenegades Posted - 01/26/2019 : 10:16:25
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom

Amen, wareagle!

On a side note, I saw a comment in the new GA Dugout Club Preview that both broke and warmed my heart. I don't have the issue in front of me, but I think it was one of the "Big Ten" kids who was asked if he had all the money in the world what would he do with it, and he said he would make it possible for other kids who don't have a lot of money to participate in travel ball and showcases.

I wanted to give that kid a hug when I read that. This is indeed an expensive sport and I suspect many families struggle to keep up and provide the kinds of opportunities others are fortunate enough to be able to give their ball players.





This is why we started Georgia Renegades Baseball in Suwanee, GA.

We offer the travel ball experience to players who have outgrown the Recreational league, "Daddy" ball/political garbage that many associations can't seem to outgrow. Our fees are $500/player, we provide 4 full uniforms, 10 tournaments, individual private workouts, non-paid collegiate coaches and a AA (11U)/AAA (12U) travel ball experience starting at 11U (where we believe travel baseball should start for most players). We fundraise like crazy to provide this opportunity to players who talented enough to join our program, regardless of their socio-economic status.

If you know of a player in North Georgia who is interested, please feel free to send them our way as we are looking for 1-2 players at 11U (AA) and 1 player at 12U (AAA).

Thanks,

Dennis
Georgia Renegades Baseball, General Manager
dennis@georgiarenegades.com
404-702-5417
ifly1989 Posted - 01/25/2019 : 09:21:09
I agree with MOST...While "Daddy Ball" does exist I would not say it is as bad as a lot of folks make it out to be. however one word of caution... Being harder on your son is actually just another form of Daddy Ball.... think about it... if your harder on you kid for doing the same things little johnny does... what message does that send? It tells the parents you are more concerned with his development than that of the others on the team. I know that probably was not you intention but perception is what it is.

In the 10 year history of our program we have placed over 60 kids in college, with most on scholarship. Other players received preferred walk on offers. ONE common denominator among all of them... GOOD GRADES. None of these kids were superstars but they worked there butts off on the field and in the classroom and they were successful. Bottom Line there is a place for many players at the next level and ample $$$ for academics + Baseball.
Punishers Posted - 01/17/2019 : 14:55:48
quote:
Originally posted by baseball713

I thought the amount of money I spend on my son's baseball was crazy, and he wasn't even on an academy team till this year after Cooperstown. We've always been on a rec park based travel team. Even with the academy team this year, our fees are below $3,000. And then my younger daughter got into competitive gymnastics. The amount of money I spend on baseball pales in comparison to gymnastics. They also train year round, 16 to 20 hours a week, and parents are expected to stay out of the gym. Just drop off and pick up your kids, and wait till the meets to see the skills they have worked on. And these are 7 to 14 year old girls...



Gymnastics get a full ride, so it's worth the investment. Can't say that about baseball.
Punishers Posted - 01/17/2019 : 14:52:52
quote:
Originally posted by SuperStar

quote:
Originally posted by Punishers

Tax free money. People will be priced out. You would think a sport where parents are spending that much money would at least give 100% scholarships, but colleges will be cutting baseball from their sports program because it does not bring in money like football or basketball.



I highly doubt baseball will be cut from colleges. It's been around for along time. This may sound good on paper, but it won't hold water.

If this were true, then the MLB would go out of business. And that is definitely not happening. Baseball is America's pass time. You know that Punishers.





MLB has been around long before college baseball and will continue to be around as long at they have high schoolers being drafted and international FA signings. Past time or not. It's still a business and no business will continue to sink money into a product that doesn't make a profit. I know 4 kids playing at D1 schools who are paying close to 90% of their costs and are looking at playing lacrosse as well in hopes of subsidizing that 90%.
NF1974 Posted - 01/17/2019 : 11:35:06
Just a note of information from a parent of a kid who just finished playing baseball at a D 3 high academic school. My son was given academic money which amounted to 120k ( two years at 60k per year) to go to school. The academic money shrunk to about 70k for the last 2 years and we wound up with student loans of about 40k. he started his first job with an 64k base salary which is below where most of his friends have started at.
baseball713 Posted - 01/17/2019 : 10:39:58
I thought the amount of money I spend on my son's baseball was crazy, and he wasn't even on an academy team till this year after Cooperstown. We've always been on a rec park based travel team. Even with the academy team this year, our fees are below $3,000. And then my younger daughter got into competitive gymnastics. The amount of money I spend on baseball pales in comparison to gymnastics. They also train year round, 16 to 20 hours a week, and parents are expected to stay out of the gym. Just drop off and pick up your kids, and wait till the meets to see the skills they have worked on. And these are 7 to 14 year old girls...
Newbie BB Mom Posted - 01/17/2019 : 09:23:44
quote:
Originally posted by hshuler

quote:
Originally posted by Punishers

Tax free money. People will be priced out. You would think a sport where parents are spending that much money would at least give 100% scholarships, but colleges will be cutting baseball from their sports program because it does not bring in money like football or basketball.



I forget the exact number but only a handful of baseball programs actually generate a profit.



In terms of net revenue for the schools, I think it's more than a handful. I suspect there are many smaller private schools that continue to support a baseball program because it draws full tuition dollars from affluent families who have been funneling money into their son's expensive travel ball for a decade.

Many private colleges are teetering precariously when it comes to finances because they offer significant tuition discounts (on average about 50%) to kids with higher academics. (Chasing those higher numbers to boost their US News and World Reports ranking.) They have to pay for these discounts with other full freight students. They find them in foreign students, legacies, and athletes and lower academic students from affluent families.

That's why you'll see private colleges with equestrian teams and lacrosse teams, etc. Most of those kids are paying full tuition and subsidizing the top 25% of kids with 4.0+ GPAs and 1400+ SAT scores. I think that may also be why you see 50-man rosters in the fall at these schools. All those boys have hopes of making the team in the spring.
hshuler Posted - 01/16/2019 : 16:21:11
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers

Tax free money. People will be priced out. You would think a sport where parents are spending that much money would at least give 100% scholarships, but colleges will be cutting baseball from their sports program because it does not bring in money like football or basketball.



I forget the exact number but only a handful of baseball programs actually generate a profit.
Newbie BB Mom Posted - 01/16/2019 : 16:03:59
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers

Tax free money. People will be priced out. You would think a sport where parents are spending that much money would at least give 100% scholarships, but colleges will be cutting baseball from their sports program because it does not bring in money like football or basketball.



It brings in tuition dollars from the kids who want to play baseball. Most of them paying the full freight or close.
SuperStar Posted - 01/16/2019 : 16:01:50
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers

Tax free money. People will be priced out. You would think a sport where parents are spending that much money would at least give 100% scholarships, but colleges will be cutting baseball from their sports program because it does not bring in money like football or basketball.



I highly doubt baseball will be cut from colleges. It's been around for along time. This may sound good on paper, but it won't hold water.

If this were true, then the MLB would go out of business. And that is definitely not happening. Baseball is America's pass time. You know that Punishers.

Punishers Posted - 01/16/2019 : 13:36:28
Tax free money. People will be priced out. You would think a sport where parents are spending that much money would at least give 100% scholarships, but colleges will be cutting baseball from their sports program because it does not bring in money like football or basketball.
SuperStar Posted - 01/16/2019 : 11:40:21
That's great Critical Mass! I always like to hear success stories. Congrats to your son!

I don't suppose you could disclose what team he plays on, or what his name is can you?
Critical Mass Posted - 01/16/2019 : 08:46:48
For what it's worth, my son never attended a single showcase, was primarily the smaller guy on the field in most cases and was never considered projectable. He worked hard, played P5 ball, was an all american and is now playing Milb. It can happen.
Newbie BB Mom Posted - 01/15/2019 : 12:40:13
Amen, wareagle!

On a side note, I saw a comment in the new GA Dugout Club Preview that both broke and warmed my heart. I don't have the issue in front of me, but I think it was one of the "Big Ten" kids who was asked if he had all the money in the world what would he do with it, and he said he would make it possible for other kids who don't have a lot of money to participate in travel ball and showcases.

I wanted to give that kid a hug when I read that. This is indeed an expensive sport and I suspect many families struggle to keep up and provide the kinds of opportunities others are fortunate enough to be able to give their ball players.

CaCO3Girl Posted - 01/15/2019 : 10:46:02
People would be better off getting on a travel team that does private workouts at the colleges in your son's scope. All these people paying $700+++ for PG showcases for their 8th-10th graders...I don't get it. Yes, your 9th grader is now the #4 catcher in the state...wow that must feel great....did you know only 6 catchers from that class attended a showcase????

Play at the right events (meaning on the right teams), shine when it counts, send out your emails, and above all BE A GOOD TEAMMATE and the recruiting life will go much easier for many of you.
wareagle1 Posted - 01/15/2019 : 10:10:34
Stolen from a friend's post on Facebook:


People always asked "Why do you pay so much money for your kids to do all their sports”? Well I have a confession to make; I don't pay for my kids to to do sports. Personally, I couldn't care less about what sport they do.

So, if I am not paying for sports what am I paying for?

- I pay for those moments when my kids become so tired they want to quit but don't.

- I pay for those days when my kids come home from school and are "too tired" to go to their training but they go anyway.

- I pay for my kids to learn to be disciplined, focused and dedicated.

- I pay for my kids to learn to take care of their body and learn how to correctly fuel their body for success.

- I pay for my kids to learn to work with others and to be good team mates, gracious in defeat and humble in success.

- I pay for my kids to learn to deal with disappointment, when they don't get that placing or title they'd hoped for, but still they go back week after week giving it their best shot.

- I pay for my kids to learn to make and accomplish goals.

- I pay for my kids to respect, not only themselves, but others, officials, judges and coaches.

- I pay for my kids to learn that it takes hours and hours, years and years of hard work and practice to create a champion and that success does not happen overnight.

- I pay for my kids to be proud of small achievements, and to work towards long term goals.

- I pay for the opportunity my kids have and will have to make life-long friendships, create lifelong memories, to be as proud of their achievements as I am.

- I pay so that my kids can be in the gym instead of in front of a screen...

- I pay for those rides home where we make precious memories talking about practice, both good and bad.

-I pay so that my child can learn the importance of time management and balancing what is important like school and keeping grades up

...I could go on but, to be short, I don't pay for sports; I pay for the opportunities that sports provides my kids with to develop attributes that will serve them well throughout their lives and give them the opportunity to bless the lives of others. From what I have seen so far I think it is a great investment!"


SuperStar Posted - 01/15/2019 : 08:29:02
As I read all the comments above, I think to myself, it's definitely pricey and there are plenty of money grabs in this sport. Has the game of baseball strayed away from what it actually is? I think so due to money. But then I tell myself, so has every other sport and thing in this world.

It seems the reality of everything we do in this old world is costly. But that's just life. At the end of the day, we all want our kids to succeed in life and everything they do. I think the hardiest part for all parents is excepting what we don't want to believe. Not all players are D1 athletes and future MLB'ers. So we as parents have to except the truth and go from there.

If you know deep in your heart that your son isn't going to play baseball in the future, then don't worry about it. How do you know this? By watching other kids at their level and just being honest and knowing they are not the caliber player as the other players they ate around. Just support them and watch them play high school ball or what ever travel team they want to play on. It does not really matter in the big scheme of things. On the other hand, if you are one of those parents who think your son has a chance to play college baseball, then go for it and never look back with any regrets. There are NO guarantees in any thing we do in life. So, unfortunately we are at the mercy of this cycle of mostly money and even some politics. So hang on and enjoy the ride. It will be over sooner than you think.
bama21 Posted - 01/15/2019 : 08:18:55
Showcases are expensive, but it can be considered an investment if you can put up impressive numbers. PG does a great job of getting the numbers out there through multiple social media sites. You can say whatever you like about PG, but they are the go to entity for college and pro scouts alike.

As far as college camps, they are a waste of money unless you are personally invited (I don't mean by email), if they invite you, then you are treated totally different than the rest of the kids. You will get a personal tour and you will be able to speak with the coach. Maybe that isn't fair, but it is how the system works.
Renegade44 Posted - 01/14/2019 : 21:29:22
Here is a little known fact too by the way.

Did you know you can visit campus and conduct 1 workout in front of D2 coaches? Don't ever fall for the D2 or D3 camp invites. If the place is serious about you, they can have you in for a workout. For free.

And don't waste your money on D1 camps no matter the number of email invites you get.

The top college my son really really wanted to attend he went to a prospect camp. Before paying he asked the coach what are you looking for at this camp? Answer: Best athletes and ball players we can find. Every position.

Dang sign me up coach I'm it, checks in mail!

Threw to 6 batters, struck out 4, with 2 grounders. #3 60 time at 120 player camp. Hit 4 out of park in 10 BP swings, 4 more off wall. Went 3/4 in the controlled scrimmage with 2 HR and a double. Focused as he could be to succeed and be noticed. On a mission.

Speaks to coach after day is over. Thanks him, reminds him he's applied to the college, and this is where I want to be and play ball.

Coach: Ah uh hmm, we really are just looking for 90mph throwers and a catcher.



Renegade44 Posted - 01/14/2019 : 21:14:19
<Do you mean his baseball skills got him into a school he otherwise might not have based solely on his academics? Or do you mean he is considering going to a school he would not otherwise be interested in only because there is an offer to play baseball?>

Actually could be both sides of the equation. But I'd also assume he got into the way way too far north school on his grades. Although this college is great its just not for him.

But presently he appears to be set to attend a place he would not go without baseball. His self imposed ground rules though are that place has to match academic money with the money he has from the no baseball schools. Its not a bad spot, but its his decision to pursue or not. (Really the first 4 years are about getting the credits in......grad school can be a big state U or where ever similar.)

But like I said, the moneyball system is a mess. Just could not keep up.

Way too many phone calls and contacts went this way:

Coach: We like your videos, like your grades, like the coach feedback.
Son: Great I'm pitching game 4 at 1pm at XYZ, be in field somewhere games 1 thru 3, please come evaluate my play.

Coach: What showcase will you be at next week? We are attending the 3 big ones. Fla, Fla, New York. (Hint the showcase prices before 3 days of travel costs were $999, $975, and $850.)

Son: Sorry can't attend coach, not in our family budget. When might could you be free to check me out.

Coach: There's another showcase coming up in 3 weeks, can you be there?

Money money money.
Newbie BB Mom Posted - 01/14/2019 : 11:16:37
Our son is just two years behind yours Renegade44, and we worry about some of the things on your list. We're not trying to get a baseball scholarship, but we were hoping baseball could open college doors that might otherwise remain closed.

To that end, I'm curious about this statement:

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade44

Committed pending academic scholarship competition outcome probably at a school he would not attend without baseball offer.



Do you mean his baseball skills got him into a school he otherwise might not have based solely on his academics? Or do you mean he is considering going to a school he would not otherwise be interested in only because there is an offer to play baseball?

I really hope it is not the latter. Your son sounds like a good student and a good player. I'd like to think he could be rewarded for both of these accomplishments in college. But if he has to pick one, I'd encourage him to take the full academic scholarship and hang up the cleats. I know this is a personal choice but we're talking about the rest of his working life.

Anyway, kudos to your son, and fingers crossed for the scholarship competition! Let us know how it ends up!
CaCO3Girl Posted - 01/14/2019 : 10:23:13
I wish people would sit back, take a breath, and realize what this rat race is for.

If it is to spend time with your son, doing what he loves, and you can afford it....more power to you!

If it is to get a college scholarship....it really is 25% OR NOTHING in most cases. Is it worth saving $0-2K a year in 3 years to spend 5K a year now when you have to eat Ramen and PB & J to do it? I don't think so.

The reality is NOT EVERYONE IS SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Repeat...your kid may be a wonderful, well mannered, polite, great student, and a talented young man; but he isn't necessarily special! If people can wrap their head around that idea the travel ball world would be less populated and rec parks would be alive again!
takeit4aride Posted - 01/14/2019 : 09:13:03
Thank you so much for this perspective. You are exactly on point. I love baseball and playing it when I was growing up. I thought it was going to be the same when I had a son, but boy was I wrong! I have a young teenager playing baseball that is a really good athlete but it has gotten so expensive that i'm not sure if I will be able to keep up with the rising cost. I posted this in "Does young elite talent carry into later years" thread below on 12/18/18:

"Does elite talent carry over into the later years? I've seen many gifted/talented baseball players over the years. I see on this thread that when some of these "studs" are at the younger age groups they tend to get weened out because the "fields get bigger", "puberty", "they're not working as hard as the next kid", etc. While a lot of this is true, there is one thing that I haven't seen mentioned. Some parents just can't afford it as their kid(s) get older!! Baseball gets more expensive as these young men get older. $3000 to $4000 just for the summer ball for some of the top organizations. That doesn't include travel, training, and showcases. Many middle class families with two or more children that play sports or other activities just can't afford it so you see some of these gifted young baseball players who were studs move to other sports. They definitely don't lose their athleticism. When I was younger my parents didn't have to mortgage their home so I could play sports. Youth sports has gotten out of control. I've seen post on the youth threads where people are asking, "are there teams less than 3000k". Wow. What's happened to the sport I love?"
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade44

So 9+ years of perspective is the topic? Age 8 to age 18 near graduation.

Lets see?
1.) Oh how it has all changed over the years. Big business has turned it all from a true passion for the game and similarly dedicated coaches into a giant county club sport chasing profits and selling $80 an hour dreams to the country club set.

2.) Travel ball which used to supplement extra summer/fall games for the best rec league players, has turned minimal cost options such as youth rec league, Babe Ruth, Middle school, Jr Legion, and Legion into a vast wasteland. High school is beginning to suffer as "priorities" and pressure trend further to the for profit side of travel ball.

3.) The pursuit and ready availability of profits to be had has turned the sport into a year round grind to chase the dream. Wouldn't want to be left out would you just because you skipped a season/session of stroking a check?

4.) Costs which were 'hey bring me a $20 next week' or collected at the park on gameday, have ballooned into stroking a check for $3,000 twice a year.

5.) Overall costs have began to approach the $10,000 mark in the race to showcase this, travel there, showcase that, travel again, college camp, showcase, etc.

6.) The good old boy network is alive and well! College degrees in sports marketing, poor degree choices, general bad job market for young people 2 to 5 years ago, have found a gig spot giving lessons, coaching for academies on every corner vacant warehouse in town, etc.
Many of their classmates have stayed involved as college nonpaid assistant to assistant coaches. There is the direct route from for profit academy to college athlete.

7.) The colleges have taken note of the lure to be a college baseball player and the funds available to make it be so! Especially those non state colleges struggling for enrollment. (And this doesn't pertain to just baseball, could be and is all sports) Be careful...... that private D1, smaller D2, D3, Juco or whatever......might just be bringing in 100 or more! players for Fall workouts. Yeah you committed, yeah it sounds great, but please tell me how a college can and does knowingly recruit 100 players for a 35 player team? Never mind, I know it comes back to profits and money. Baseball isn't funded well at colleges. As a coach you can stay employed AND increase your funding by luring more aspiring student athletes to enroll. IE Your baseball budget doubles if you expand your list of enrolled commits from 50 to 100. And the struggling small college president loves ya too at $25,000 to $40,000 tuition a year and increased enrollment numbers.

8.) The quality of play and in game baseball execution has fallen drastically. Yeah the radar gun can be lit up, as the bases are loaded with walks and the 2 hour showcase slogs thru 4 innings of pure torture. Defensively the showcase circuits looks lost, I've seen middle school teams execute better.

9.) There will be a lot of college coaches with buyers remorse. Stock in RolAids should go up. They've recruited many coach killers that can't win. Cue up the Juco tranfers to magically appear just when you thought you were entitled to be up next after slopping thru your first 2 years.

10.) Scholarships? Mostly a one year gig to be annually re-evaluated. Plan on 25% for D1, $3,000-$5,000 for D2, and zero for D3.

11.) Academics? There is your scholarship money. HOWEVER don't think for a second that high academics, full academic scholarship, and high level baseball success alone, can even get the baseball phone picked up at your mid level baseball college. See #6 above. Absent the purchased help form the good old boys the conversation will go like this at most D1: "Hey coach, I've been admitted, don't need any baseball money, what's the process of getting a full walk on opportunity for next Fall? Great you've heard of me, seen my videos, etc, so how can this work? Coach: Well we've been fully recruited since a year ago when we attended the $1000 showcase in Florida, but thanks for coming to our $300 camp last week, you looked really good, probably more skilled than half our recruits, but but but we don't truly do walkons as we are full already. Player:??? So there is no path to even have a serious tryout if I enroll, and even if I can outcompete your recruits? Coach: That's correct we are full and we have 'our' players for now."

12.) The environment isn't going to improve within the next 10 years. And the game as you know it may not survive. But that's just fine to some who enjoy and believe in the current state of youth baseball.


So you read this far and you may think disgruntled clown and not skilled enough player.....

6'3, 87mph pitcher, 7.0 runner, 4 year varsity starter at highest class high school division in sate, SS defense, #3 hitter, team leader. 34 ACT, 1500 SAT, Committed pending academic scholarship competition outcome probably at a school he would not attend without baseball offer. Loves and Lives the game, but won't go into $100k college debt to keep playing in a flawed system. Has multiple baseball offers at schools which will require 100K+ of loans to attend, and has multiple offers of full tuition but no shot at baseball allowed by coaches at those colleges.

So be aware....this is the potential end result of the moneyball system you are funding each weekend.


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