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FLABB
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JMO
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 Posted - 01/12/2012 : 14:06:26
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| Should be a pretty easy tourney for Stealth, the 2 others that could win it are Young Guns and Saints. |
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BangTheBox
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Posted - 01/12/2012 : 15:09:25
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| Need to watch out for the Cen Fla Gators. They have kids flying in from parts unknown in an attempt to win some hardware. Not that I agree with that premise. |
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BravesFan
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Posted - 01/14/2012 : 00:22:33
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Originally posted by BangTheBox
Need to watch out for the Cen Fla Gators. They have kids flying in from parts unknown in an attempt to win some hardware. Not that I agree with that premise.
What's next? Paying these kids to play for the weekend too?
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BangTheBox
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Posted - 01/14/2012 : 11:08:35
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Braves well said and not too far off base (pun intended). The rumor is that the financier with more money than sense gives spending money to the fams. quote:
Originally posted by BravesFan
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Originally posted by BangTheBox
Need to watch out for the Cen Fla Gators. They have kids flying in from parts unknown in an attempt to win some hardware. Not that I agree with that premise.
What's next? Paying these kids to play for the weekend too?
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FLABB
183 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2012 : 19:47:22
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| Interesting games but expected results. Central Florida looks to be the best money can buy. And the shouting by coaches has been pervasive. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2012 : 11:42:24
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| Looks like Central Florida used the Carolina pitcher to beat the Stealth. Looks like Gators have several players who have also played for the Stealth in the past. |
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bball2008
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 16:03:49
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| Sounds like 12u baseball in Florida has turned into "showcase" ball. If you haven't had the honor of seeing the parents of some of these players that are brought in from other states you are missing out. They are worth the price of admission and then some. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2012 : 17:58:59
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| I wish all the boys well, but some parents will probably go insane when their sons choose girls over baseball. A HS coach told me once that no matter how hard he tried year after year, the girls are still undefeated. |
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kcndfan
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 18:18:23
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Posted this on the California National Team posting but wanted to share it here as well.
Between this post and the previous post about the Central Florida Gators flying kids in to win a tournament in January, I am pretty much sick to my stomach at this point.
I know I am probably an out of touch sentimentalist, but what happened to playing for the love of the game? Shameful for 6 and 7th graders to be taught the lessons they are currently being taught. Win, Win and Win! What did you win???? A trophy?? No you bought that. Forget learning how to be a team or leadership or dealing with adversity. If your not good enough, don't work harder, we will just buy you better ringers!! Sad.
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BravesFan
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 19:52:30
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Originally posted by bball2008
Sounds like 12u baseball in Florida has turned into "showcase" ball. If you haven't had the honor of seeing the parents of some of these players that are brought in from other states you are missing out. They are worth the price of admission and then some.
bball2008, not sure what you meant by your comment, care to expand on it?
Also, if the big kid from the hoppers was with cent florida, well then that's a big piece to throw out there in a big game. |
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RACGOFAR
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 20:19:24
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| You don't have to very far from Marietta to find 12 u Teams that pay ringers to play, so it's not surprising it happens in other states.... |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2012 : 21:26:46
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RACGOFAR,
What teams are paying players to play 12U baseball? Did you really mean to say that coaches are giving pick-up players/families (as opposed to all season players that live in another state) cash to play baseball or do you mean paying for travel, team fees ect..?
If they are handing out cash I am in! LOL |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 21:34:42
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| Talked to someone about what players were brought in.....Can't really understand anybody wanting their son to pitch 120 pitches in January but that is on them. I was told by a parent of an opposing team that he was told money would NOT be an obstacle this year and they would be the #1 team no matter what it takes. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2012 : 08:15:37
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KCNDFAN
I agree, and that is the real problem with pickups. Some people will do it for legitimate reasons, ( ie limiting pitches in long tourneys, or allowing for possible injury) others will simply take advantage.
IMHO it is a shame to see kids that have already been on 7 or 8 rosters and the season has not started yet! Can someone please tell me one good thing this is teaching the kids?
Call it whatever you like, but if we are truly honest, we all know it has more to do with dad's ego than teaching the kids anything.
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BangTheBox
121 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2012 : 10:41:14
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| Wareagle well stated! A player at this age can be on great team and play a dominate role and still not add to their baseball IQ. In fact, they can regress. It is all about development from this point forward if there is a chance for them to succeed in high school. It is all about coaching talent and work ethic in the end. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 11:00:02
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All good points. Basically, what has been going on for years at the older age groups continually creeps down the age chain and is now commonplace in the 10u-12u range. With three sons in older age groups, I've watched this for years and liken it to nuclear proliferation. One team does it, so then another has to to stay competitive. Then they add two or three players, then other teams have to do something or they stand no chance. There is only one true way to end this and it may take a hard stance from teams to force the issue.
The only way this stops is with strict limits by the sanctioning tournaments on rosters. Without that, no rules are being violated and there will always be those coaches/families that are willing to do this. You can put a "gentleman's" agreement in place, but as you all know, few of us are gentlemen. So what's the incentive for Triple Crown or any other body to strictly limit rosters? None today. As long as you keep traveling to Florida or Colorado to play in their National events, they'll keep doing what they've done. If you want to get them to make changes, stop playing in their events and let them know why you aren't playing in them. Ultimately it will dwindle to to half a dozen teams that will load up and play in their tournaments, but in the long run, that's bad business for them as they'll see all our dollars filtering into the various park tournaments locally. The kids will continue to develop just the same, we'll save a ton of travel money and we'll find out on a week to week basis who has a strong TEAM. |
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FLABB
183 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2012 : 12:00:20
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| After the language and mistreatment of umpires and players I saw this past weekend in Clearwater I feel USSSA, 3 Crown and parents need to take a stand. In the know talk about nuclear proliferation. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2012 : 20:49:49
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FLABB,
Fortunately that portion does get better as you move up in age (at least that's been my experience). Two things happen. First, as the game moves to the larger fields and looks more like "real" baseball, things seem to settle down significantly. Second, the parents seem to "figure it out" and realize that all that drama and BS at the younger ages didn't amount to a hill of beans. They learn that it didn't matter if their 10u team won elite 32 or their 12u team won Cooperstown. They become far more focused on getting their player developed and ready to compete at high school and beyond.
Not that there aren't questionable strike zones or bad calls, just that reality sets in.
You'll still run across a nut bag parent or two, or some coaches and even some teams that haven't gotten their clue yet, but it does seem to get better with age. |
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Outtahere
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 09:52:04
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In the know
I hope so!!!! The "political" silllyness that goes on today in youth baseball is ridiculous. Coaches and parents stabbing each other in the back, trophy hunting, team jumping all in the name of baseball. |
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BangTheBox
121 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2012 : 23:11:30
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Spartan4 thank you for sharing. As for 100 pitches?! I sure hope not! I did not hear via the baseball vine nor witness that during my time in Clearwater. I would hope an umpire or TD would step in and throw the coach out of the park. That is worse IMO than fighting or dropping expletives on the field of play by a coach.
Bravesfan here is my opinion on teams and coaches in Florida since we are on the topic. I would think that this is not state specific but I have noticed there are generally five types of coaches/teams:
1. A group (I hesitate to say team) that has a benefactor with more money than “Baseball IQ” to paraphrase Bangbox who brings in a melting pot team collaboration to win a $0.02 trophy.
2. A coach / team who needs a player or two and does try to get the best out there to fill in in a fair manner.
3. A coach / team that does not need a player but looks constantly for that ringer in the dual hopes that he might stay with them and they can win a trophy. What message does this send to the parents and little Johnny when Johnny worked hard all week at his position and did everything right and that coach asked yet the 12 year old Bryce Harper starts in lieu of Johnny. They know that high maintenance Papa Harper will not stand for time on the pine and will not return if his son is disgraced in such an insolent manner.
4. A team with a coach who is always looking for the bigger better player in an attempt to be the best and casting aside others.
5. A coach that picks his team and sticks with them win/lose and teaches and develops them not only as ballplayers but as men.
These coach / team archetypes range from paid to unpaid. Note that this list is not all inclusive please add to this listing. |
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kcndfan
80 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2012 : 12:46:24
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Was just looking at the upcoming Super NIT roster for Atlanta, trying to decide whether or not to play. We were recently moved to Majors and I know there are a lot of folks coming to try and get the 2 Elite 32 bids they are offering. Above our heads I think, but we have this week to decide.
I pulled up the Team Florida roster, who is 17-0 in Majors so far this year, and just laughed out loud. 6 of their 15 have 9 or more team listings already and 4 have appeared on multiple rosters this year alone. One young man began playing at 9 and has appeared on 14 rosters already.
We are the 5th coach/team type above in Bang the Box's post. 8 of our 10 have never played for anyone else but us and 7 of the 10 have been together since the Dizzy Dean All Star level at Oregon Park. It has been such a reward to watch them progress to this point. We are all about trying our best to win at all times but my primary concern is they leave this game loving it and wanting to pass it on to the next generation. Anything beyond that is pure gravy.
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FLABB
183 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2012 : 20:35:46
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Bangthebox & Outtahere
Very nice. Cannot imagine a kid wanting to play for a bought team or coaches that cut kids willy nilly when the next 12u Bryce Harper comes along. Must be a parental figure pulling the trigger!
On another note, I am going to place a players needed/wanted add and say I want to build the best team and money is not an issue. Wonder how many responses I may get?! Can you imagine I will be known for winning a hodgepoge of 12 year olds a trophy when I have taught them nil in the maturity department.
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Originally posted by Outtahere
In the know
I hope so!!!! The "political" silllyness that goes on today in youth baseball is ridiculous. Coaches and parents stabbing each other in the back, trophy hunting, team jumping all in the name of baseball.
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bbjunkie
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Posted - 01/27/2012 : 10:16:38
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| Maybe I am missing something and don't want to talk out of line but can someone tell me what is up with a major team in Ga having 25 different kids listed on their 2012 USSSA roster. I am hoping this is two different teams playing with the same name. I can't imagine a parent of a 12 yr old would put their kid in that type of situation. I am sure there is some logical explanation for this but I just can't think of it. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 11:48:03
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bbjunkie,
What major team are you talking about? |
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BballNut
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Posted - 01/27/2012 : 11:57:50
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Of course, it is insane. But, why do we spend so much time bantering about what other teams, players, coaches and parents are doing? No matter the answer for why it is going on, it really doesn't matter. There's a team and coach for everyone. Some parents don't mind. Others would never put their kid in that situation. This is baseball and we are only getting started.
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Originally posted by bbjunkie
Maybe I am missing something and don't want to talk out of line but can someone tell me what is up with a major team in Ga having 25 different kids listed on their 2012 USSSA roster. I am hoping this is two different teams playing with the same name. I can't imagine a parent of a 12 yr old would put their kid in that type of situation. I am sure there is some logical explanation for this but I just can't think of it.
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