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Hillio
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 Posted - 06/07/2010 : 10:43:49
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I've noticed that there has been very little participation by 9U teams in the recent USSSA Sub State tournaments, especially in the AA division. I'm just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on these tournaments. Is anyone planning on competing in next weekend's sub state tournaments? Are these types of tournaments worth going to? Does anybody really care about the USSSA state tournament? I'm just wondering, because to the best of my understanding, a team has to finish in the top 2 in a sub state tournament to qualify for the state tournament.
I'm just curious, because I assumed these events would pretty much fill up, and I was suprised to see that almost no one entered them. |
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Hillio
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2010 : 09:30:40
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| I guess that answers that question. |
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mjones9226
81 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 23:12:59
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| Am I wrong, I thought you had to play in a sub-state event to qualify for the state tourney? |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 06/16/2010 : 07:40:41
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| I think this is just another example of USSSA losing ground in Georgia. A couple of years ago when my 11 y/o was playing 9's, his team performed poorly in the sub-state tournament and was given a spot in the State tournament anyway just so they could fill the tournament. It's all about the $$$$$ with USSSA. |
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Hillio
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 12:34:17
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I think this is just another example of USSSA losing ground in Georgia.
Interesting. If that's the case, I'm curious what organization(s) you think are becoming more popular at USSSA's expense. |
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mjones9226
81 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 17:46:24
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| Nations is taking away from USSSA. Just look at the increase in numbers over last year. Also Triple Crown events have been very big. I think what was referred to is how can the rules state you have to qualify through a sub state tourney and teams are in state who never played in one?? I agree it is a good example of why I can see a decrease in turnouts for USSSA. Stinks sitting around hoping a tourney makes with directors not being truthful about who is coming, and trying to make plans for travel. I can say for us this was common place this year. I will not do this next year for sure. |
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Hillio
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 22:07:31
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how can the rules state you have to qualify through a sub state tourney and teams are in state who never played in one??
Yeah that's what I thought too, and there are a few places on the net where its stated. But after taking the time to actually read the official USSSA bylaws, I learned that no such rule exists. Teams are even allowed to go to other states and participate in multiple state championships if they want.
Here the rules that apply in this situation:
RULE 6.00 – STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
6.01 State Directors shall have the authority to amend these National By-laws & Rules to accommodate the needs of the State Championships with the approval of the Association’s Executive Vice President of Baseball.
6.02 The State Director or directors appointed by the State Director shall conduct all State Championships to assure that the USSSA Baseball National By-laws & Rules are being followed at all times.
6.03 Teams are permitted to participate in multiple “Level 1” State Championships but shall only be awarded “Level 1” State Championship points for the first (earliest) State Championship in which the team participates. Teams participating in subsequent “Level 1” State Championships shall be awarded “Qualifying Tournament” points. Teams shall only participate in their respective (home) state’s “Level 1” State Championship(s).
6.04 Teams are permitted to participate in multiple “Level 2” State Championships and shall be awarded “Level 2” State Championship points for each “Level 2” State Championships in which the team participates. Teams shall be permitted to cross state boundaries to participate in “Level 2” State Championships if allowed by the host state. |
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mjones9226
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 21:24:00
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| Exactly. The rule is written and then there is the small print that says the director can do whatever in the best interest of? Sounds like DC thinking. They should not have the rule that says you can change the rule if you are the one who makes the rule to fit what rule you like. Personally do not think it is right. No matter the kids get to play and have a good time. Will be playing alot more in other oraganizations next year. |
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Glove Smacker
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 23:09:49
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Originally posted by mjones9226
Exactly. The rule is written and then there is the small print that says the director can do whatever in the best interest of? Sounds like DC thinking. They should not have the rule that says you can change the rule if you are the one who makes the rule to fit what rule you like. Personally do not think it is right. No matter the kids get to play and have a good time. Will be playing alot more in other oraganizations next year.
I do respect your opinion, but I personally don't see what it matters on what teams play in the tournament as long as they have played in some USSSA tournaments beforehand. I think it makes for a much better State Championship if the best teams are there to battle it out. You need to play and beat the best to be the best. That is what the State Championship is all about. |
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mjones9226
81 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2010 : 19:34:14
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| OK. Why bother with all the print in the rules then. If you want to beat the best get out of AA ball and move on up. I could care or less who plays just seems silly to go to the trouble of writing the rules for no reason. Keep in mind that USSSA is but s small piece of the competition puzzle. |
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Glove Smacker
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Posted - 06/26/2010 : 23:03:51
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Originally posted by mjones9226
OK. Why bother with all the print in the rules then. If you want to beat the best get out of AA ball and move on up. I could care or less who plays just seems silly to go to the trouble of writing the rules for no reason. Keep in mind that USSSA is but s small piece of the competition puzzle.
I assume you are with a AA Team. I am personally affiliated with a 9U (AAA) Team. I feel there is no shame in playing at any level of baseball according to the teams talent level. That is why there are state championships at every level. My point is each level of baseball should include the best teams of each level. The challenge of playing the best teams of your level is what makes youth baseball so fun. I agree with you, the rules are crazy, but with that said, who cares. You have to love the challenge of facing tough opponents. That is what makes good teams better. Remember, a State Championship is not supposed to be easy.
P.S. I know of alot of AA teams that can beat 9U teams. |
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Bubbasdad
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Posted - 06/26/2010 : 23:27:53
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| Also keep in mind that winning 9aa state championship will put you in 10AAA next year!! Ive seen teams this year go from 9aa to 9a and from 9aa to 9u so becaeful what you wish for ! |
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4pcbaseball
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 10:20:10
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Glove smacker said it well. A team's goal (at any level) should be to play and compete against the best teams in its league/level. When a team's proven it can win at a certain level, they should move up and set new goals.
If winning championships results in being bumped up a level, give me the championships and the tougher competition. That's the way it should be. I'd bet BubbasDad would take a championship! |
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TODDS
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 21:20:05
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| My sons team won there 9AA state championship and I will be glad when/if they get moved up to AAA. I would rather see more competition for him. Winning trophies does not mean much, but playing tougher teams will only make him and the team better in the long run. Winning states was fun though!!! |
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mjones9226
81 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2010 : 21:33:32
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Originally posted by Glove Smacker
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Originally posted by mjones9226
OK. Why bother with all the print in the rules then. If you want to beat the best get out of AA ball and move on up. I could care or less who plays just seems silly to go to the trouble of writing the rules for no reason. Keep in mind that USSSA is but s small piece of the competition puzzle.
I assume you are with a AA Team. I am personally affiliated with a 9U (AAA) Team. I feel there is no shame in playing at any level of baseball according to the teams talent level. That is why there are state championships at every level. My point is each level of baseball should include the best teams of each level. The challenge of playing the best teams of your level is what makes youth baseball so fun. I agree with you, the rules are crazy, but with that said, who cares. You have to love the challenge of facing tough opponents. That is what makes good teams better. Remember, a State Championship is not supposed to be easy.
P.S. I know of alot of AA teams that can beat 9U teams.
Thanks for all the information. None of what you went off on had anything to do with my point. The Rick Flair you gotta beat the best was very enlightening. There are alot of AA teams that could beat MOST 9u teams. Most of them have coaches that like the trophies you speak of. This being said it had nothing to do with the way the rule was written or the misleading qualification. I NEVER said anything about not wanting to play the best, you took it in that direction. I was only referring to the rule. Please do not infer anything else. Assumptions are often incorrect. |
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brannonp
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 21:45:31
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| I cant wait until next season. I had a blast this year my son enjoyed first year traveling we didnt quite go 500 but way better than rec ball. Next season will be better pick up a few more players and be ready to compete. Congrants to all the first year travel teams it was a learning experience for all the coachs this year. So we are geared up for PC (hope no oil)go have some fun and see all these teams in fall or summer. |
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Glove Smacker
47 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2010 : 23:56:22
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Originally posted by mjones9226
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Originally posted by Glove Smacker
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Originally posted by mjones9226
OK. Why bother with all the print in the rules then. If you want to beat the best get out of AA ball and move on up. I could care or less who plays just seems silly to go to the trouble of writing the rules for no reason. Keep in mind that USSSA is but s small piece of the competition puzzle.
I assume you are with a AA Team. I am personally affiliated with a 9U (AAA) Team. I feel there is no shame in playing at any level of baseball according to the teams talent level. That is why there are state championships at every level. My point is each level of baseball should include the best teams of each level. The challenge of playing the best teams of your level is what makes youth baseball so fun. I agree with you, the rules are crazy, but with that said, who cares. You have to love the challenge of facing tough opponents. That is what makes good teams better. Remember, a State Championship is not supposed to be easy.
P.S. I know of alot of AA teams that can beat 9U teams.
Thanks for all the information. None of what you went off on had anything to do with my point. The Rick Flair you gotta beat the best was very enlightening. There are alot of AA teams that could beat MOST 9u teams. Most of them have coaches that like the trophies you speak of. This being said it had nothing to do with the way the rule was written or the misleading qualification. I NEVER said anything about not wanting to play the best, you took it in that direction. I was only referring to the rule. Please do not infer anything else. Assumptions are often incorrect.
Point well taken. As I said before, I agree with you about the rules. It just seems that you have a problem with some of the better teams entering the state tournament. In all due respect, when you enter a tournament the goal is to win the tournament which also means you get the trophy. Like the trophy or not, it comes with the victory. Don't "assume" that coaches are out for trophies only. That's ridiculous. Enough said on this issue. It's good to agree and agree to disagree. Let's keep it friendly. Who's Rick Flair? (Just kidding). |
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GaBaseballFan
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 00:25:35
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Originally posted by Bubbasdad
Also keep in mind that winning 9aa state championship will put you in 10AAA next year!! Ive seen teams this year go from 9aa to 9a and from 9aa to 9u so becaeful what you wish for !
Are you saying that the 9AA State Champion will have to move up to AAA next year? So does this also mean the last place AA team in the state tournament will be moved down to single A next year? Are you kidding me? "Be careful of what you wish for"; who's wishing for what? Just curious. |
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Bubbasdad
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 12:28:48
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| From what I was told if you win a state tournament you will be bump up next year |
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