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teamplaya
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 Posted - 11/10/2014 : 16:36:57
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| I am sure many out there have faced the proposal of "we want your son as pitcher only." The age is 16U. Should you be charged the same fee? Anyone ever asked for a reduced fee based on reduced playing time and was successful? |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 11/10/2014 : 20:40:26
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| Everyone pays the same (and in my opinion, should). |
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BaseballMom6
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Posted - 11/10/2014 : 22:25:59
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| I disagree, and I do not have a pitcher only child. If your player is truly just a pitcher only, and does not take fielding or batting practice, then, in my opinion, they are not getting the same training as the other players and should not have to pay the same fees. |
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nastycurve
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Posted - 11/11/2014 : 00:15:59
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My pitcher onlys have always paid half or half plus uniform costs. In perfect game tourneys, starters are going to throw one game, maybe relieve one if they have the gas/ability. There are 7 pool play games, every day players are going to play 5-7 of those games, they will contribute more to the outcome and therefore should contribute more of the income ;-)
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2014 : 08:27:15
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Originally posted by BaseballMom6
I disagree, and I do not have a pitcher only child. If your player is truly just a pitcher only, and does not take fielding or batting practice, then, in my opinion, they are not getting the same training as the other players and should not have to pay the same fees.
So what about a position player who doesn't pitch? What about a "catcher only".
You're part of a team. The coaches share their time with the team. The fields (mounds and bullpens) are shared with the team. Most travel team run drills, including bunt coverage with the pitchers.
We can agree to disagree, but the rates shouldn't be broken up by position. |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 11/11/2014 : 09:18:30
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At 16 it's about exposure. You are not paying for batting practice, or field time, you are paying for your child to be seen by a scout. I would only be accepting a pitcher only position on a HIGHLY competitive team.
If your child is not "good enough" to be scouted as a pitcher only then it is a waste of money. Take a look at your average draft or college team roster...there are FAR more pitching spots than 3rd base or even catcher...you are paying for exposure and are 2-3 times more likely to get a scholarship or scout opportunity.
Once again, if he isn't good enough then you are wasting your money and time...but in my opinion everyone should be paying the same amount for the exposure. |
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teamplaya
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Posted - 11/11/2014 : 12:41:52
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| Thanks all...much of what I expected. From what I am reading, seems it really depends on the profile of the team. My thought was that if the child was asked to be on the team as pitcher only...their talent was at a high enough level to even be considered. If there is not a track record of this practice on a specific team...or at least that is unknown..there is a fear of retribution for even asking. All very valuable input though. Appreciate it. |
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nastycurve
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 11:41:01
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So what about a position player who doesn't pitch? What about a "catcher only".
You're part of a team. The coaches share their time with the team. The fields (mounds and bullpens) are shared with the team. Most travel team run drills, including bunt coverage with the pitchers.
We can agree to disagree, but the rates shouldn't be broken up by position.
I agree with you 100% on being part of a team and that everyone has to pull their own weight. Coaches manage and coach the team, not just specific players. The money that you pay is to contribute towards the coaching staff, team supplies, uniform, training, field usage and tournaments. As great as practice and training are, that's not normally where the scouts and college coaches are looking for players. Tournaments are where these guys are searching for talent.
As for a position player who doesn't pitch, or a "catcher only", those players physically have the ability to play and contribute every game of a tournament in different positions or as an EH. They play defense, they hit, they run, etc. A P.O. starts his game, gives all he can and that's usually it until he is able to pitch again. In theory, a P.O. could start the first game of a tourney and not play again that tournament depending on team size. A large part of what that family is paying dues for is exposure and because of their position on the team of pitcher ONLY, they don't have the opportunity to do anything else for exposure during these tourneys.
Here is what I did going into this season: I am going to carry 15 kids(12 position who might pitch and 3 pitcher onlys), I break costs down accordingly. For instance this summer where we will play all the 17-18u pg events here and one in florida, dues for a P.O. will be 650-800 and dues for a position player will be 1350-1450. That way we can keep the team at a reasonable size, maximize the players exposure and not break the bank.
All in all, I think I would rather have my PO's spend the 500-600 balance dues on a personal pitching trainer, it would make the individual player better and in turn, the team. |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 13:57:43
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That's truly how it's done. If your a dominant Sunday pitcher it could be less or no fee at all.
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Originally posted by nastycurve
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So what about a position player who doesn't pitch? What about a "catcher only".
You're part of a team. The coaches share their time with the team. The fields (mounds and bullpens) are shared with the team. Most travel team run drills, including bunt coverage with the pitchers.
We can agree to disagree, but the rates shouldn't be broken up by position.
I agree with you 100% on being part of a team and that everyone has to pull their own weight. Coaches manage and coach the team, not just specific players. The money that you pay is to contribute towards the coaching staff, team supplies, uniform, training, field usage and tournaments. As great as practice and training are, that's not normally where the scouts and college coaches are looking for players. Tournaments are where these guys are searching for talent.
As for a position player who doesn't pitch, or a "catcher only", those players physically have the ability to play and contribute every game of a tournament in different positions or as an EH. They play defense, they hit, they run, etc. A P.O. starts his game, gives all he can and that's usually it until he is able to pitch again. In theory, a P.O. could start the first game of a tourney and not play again that tournament depending on team size. A large part of what that family is paying dues for is exposure and because of their position on the team of pitcher ONLY, they don't have the opportunity to do anything else for exposure during these tourneys.
Here is what I did going into this season: I am going to carry 15 kids(12 position who might pitch and 3 pitcher onlys), I break costs down accordingly. For instance this summer where we will play all the 17-18u pg events here and one in florida, dues for a P.O. will be 650-800 and dues for a position player will be 1350-1450. That way we can keep the team at a reasonable size, maximize the players exposure and not break the bank.
All in all, I think I would rather have my PO's spend the 500-600 balance dues on a personal pitching trainer, it would make the individual player better and in turn, the team.
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Pitcher Only - Pay the Same?
