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tae281
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 Posted - 01/28/2009 : 17:35:14
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The biggest issue I have in this situation is the fact that the other coach has spent the past 3 months recruiting this player but one could also argue that the parents could have stopped this at any point if they wanted to. BTW, the other team is not as talented as the one he just left so it wasn't a case of "greener pastures".
Sadly, I don't know if they will ever find a situation where all are happy. |
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pcc
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Posted - 01/28/2009 : 22:29:48
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5 teams......what is the common denominator on all 5 teams.
The Team Jumper's family that is unhappy on all 5. Enough said. |
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SportsDad
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Posted - 01/28/2009 : 23:05:25
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it seems the consensus(besides Sportsdad) is that its not a good thing,......
Never said it was a good thing or a bad thing..just stated that I thought it was a parent/player thing and those are the ones who make the decision..Just the way the whole issue is framed...He's a Jumper, it's the parents fault..blah blah blah...The "consensus" of the board has always been "Do what you think is right for your son", It the parents responsibility to make sure his son is in the "right place"...etc etc...Well just like life, you "go into something" thinking/hoping it's the best...if you come to a realization that this isn't the best, what really is best for everyone is that you move on.... Guess I've seen a lot, but coaches think it's a good thing when a marginable player leaves,but he's a jumper with bad parents and it's a bad thing when a "good" player leaves... No one could ever convince me that the "lessons learned" by a 9-14 year old kid sitting on a bench the whole year or playing all the time but not liking it,could equal the "lessons learned" from enjoying the Team your on. |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 08:48:47
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| 123, without a doubt, 5 times in a year or even two years is too much. My kid doesn't get to play the position he wants, or the play time, I tell him to work harder and earn it. That is the lesson learned. When the season is over, you look around. 5x, it's not the team, it's the family and look out. Either they are going to be unhappy no matter where they go, or they have very bad judgement to do this that many times. |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 11:08:53
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| think about it, how many kids or parents on any allstar or travel team you ever played with didn't have atleast one family that wasn't happy. |
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baseballwizkid
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Posted - 01/29/2009 : 14:48:40
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You're right 743....Ive been apart of some very successful and some "not so" successful teams and there is always somebody not happy or making waves...you probably put all this into perspective with that one line.
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coachdan06
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Posted - 01/29/2009 : 14:53:08
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[quote]Originally posted by SportsDad
maybe so...but I've seen and so have many parents seen 1)coaches who bring in kids at the end to win tournament, and kids who have been there all year long sit..2)coaches who tell kids one thing when the get them to commit, only to find a "better" player and the kid sits..
From where we've sat the items you listed , those are not coaches they are obsessive personalities seeking personal glory .
Those are by someone who has gone past the boundaries of character and respect for everyone whom they pretend to 'lead' but dont . No one is fooled .
It isnt about being happy or about getting what you want as a player and sure not as a parent : too much the parents ego gets involved .
But when a parent sees consistent negative situations and no fairness or improvement is to be found but yet a player is expected to show up and take it  I dont know of anyone with self esteem who would do that , so whats to be gained ?
That's hopefully when you do become a "team jumper" rather than a victim of bad character.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 07:15:31
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Agreed, there are times when jumpinf is the bes thing to do.
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Originally posted by coachdan06
[quote]Originally posted by SportsDad
maybe so...but I've seen and so have many parents seen 1)coaches who bring in kids at the end to win tournament, and kids who have been there all year long sit..2)coaches who tell kids one thing when the get them to commit, only to find a "better" player and the kid sits..
From where we've sat the items you listed , those are not coaches they are obsessive personalities seeking personal glory .
Those are by someone who has gone past the boundaries of character and respect for everyone whom they pretend to 'lead' but dont . No one is fooled .
It isnt about being happy or about getting what you want as a player and sure not as a parent : too much the parents ego gets involved .
But when a parent sees consistent negative situations and no fairness or improvement is to be found but yet a player is expected to show up and take it I dont know of anyone with self esteem who would do that , so whats to be gained ?
That's hopefully when you do become a "team jumper" rather than a victim of bad character.
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 13:33:36
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| Team jumpers at 9 to 10 will most likely always be team jumpers. Usually it's the parents that look for something more......I have no problem with a kid moving on if there are serious fundamental problems with a team...i.e. the coach is a boozer, abusive, very unorganized, or picks up kids every weekend. But most JUMPERS will kill the team they jump to. Because most likely they are selfish people looking for the next great thing....and at 9 to 10 many will not be players when they get to be 14-16. So many people miss the big picture...we all want to win every weekend but at the end of everyday we should be concerned that our children are having fun and learning the correct way to play....most kids remember there teammates and the times they have played together as much as the "trophies"....sorry if I sound preachy... |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 19:03:32
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Tater77Bug
In your opinion, and as a percent all jumpers, are most jumpers Coaches, or non-Coaches kids? Do you see any significant variance between the 2 groups? |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2009 : 16:04:33
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| I have no problem with someone leaving after a season is over to find a new team. My problem is when a family commits prior to the season, then leaves before the season even starts. Or when a family leaves in the middle of the season because they think there are greener pastures. Just not right. |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 12:38:01
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| In my opinion jumpers are overwhelmingly from the parent side....and it is usually parents that never played sports so they have a very narrow view of what being a team is about...in my experience kids just want to play baseball and be around folks they like. Parenst get too caught up in trophies and the next prodigy syndrome. I have had jumpers on my team before and guess what.....they jumped from me to someone else...and I have had kids that I started with jump to other teams because their parents thought the other program was better. And every single jumper that started with me that left wanted to come back...and all were good kids with parents that did not see the big picture....I no longer will take a jumper during the season....because they jumped for a reason and it's usually parent motivated and not kid motivated....after the season I have open invites to kids...but I keep an eye out for the jumpers because they just never seem to stop jumping...non coaches kids!!! |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 12:45:22
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Very well said pcc....
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Originally posted by pcc
5 teams......what is the common denominator on all 5 teams.
The Team Jumper's family that is unhappy on all 5. Enough said.
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 22:40:43
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[quote]Originally posted by tater77bug
In my opinion jumpers are overwhelmingly from the parent side....and it is usually parents that never played sports so they have a very narrow view of what being a team is about
BINGO BINGO BINGO
Tater you left out the part about living through the prodigy but you hit everything else dead center.
Bad dynamic to have around a team they wreck it for everyone including the poor kid himself. |
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