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Gapper

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Posted - 04/08/2019 :  14:52:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How many different rosters can the same player be listed on in the same weekend?

PGADMIN

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Posted - 04/08/2019 :  15:30:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Gapper

How many different rosters can the same player be listed on in the same weekend?



Here is the official verbiage from our Tournament Rules:

Roster and Roster changes: All players should be listed on the official roster. If a player is listed on more than one roster, the player listed will make a decision as to which roster he is legally on. This decision is up to the individual player. No player can appear in a tournament game for more than one team. If there are multiple events going on at one time players are permitted to play for one team in each event if so desired; pitching limitations still apply to the player. Age divisions within a tournament count as separate events.

The teamís manager is responsible for all aspects of the eligibility of the players on his team and that they meet the requirements.

A player who is in violation of the age eligibility shall be considered an illegal player.

If anytime during a tournament game, a player is discovered illegal due to an age violation or participating on more than one team in the same tournament, the team is subject to forfeit. The first team a player participates for is their official team. *This does not apply to Pitch Smart violations.

Participating players shall have photocopies of their original birth certificates (US) or passports (International) in the possession of their team manager. Electronic copies of ID documents are accepted. Failure to have a copy of a birth certificate, in the event of a protest, could result in suspension for the remainder of the event until such document can be produced. Driverís License is permitted. For events classified by graduation year or grade level, transcripts/report card from a players most recent academic semester shall be in the possession of their team manager.
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CaCO3Girl

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Posted - 04/09/2019 :  08:08:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My son's old team was registered to play in a PG event in FL and then the team decided they couldn't go. Another team asked my son to play. I had to sign all sorts of electronic things to get him off the one roster and onto the other one. The system itself glitches if a player is on two rosters.
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Gapper

64 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2019 :  11:01:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They must have changed that. This coming weekend there are kids that are on two rosters for the same tournament. There are kids on rosters for 3 teams across 2 divisions in the tournament.

I guess my understanding of the description from PGADMIN is that a player could play in two different divisions on the same weekend. So a 14u kid could play in the 14u Major and Minor tournaments this weekend, a 13u kid could play in the 13u 60/90 and 54/80 tournaments this weekend, or a 13u kid could play in on a 13u and 14u team this weekend They just cant play for 2 different teams in the same division.

They only thing that carries across is that the pitching limits follow the player. So maybe he is a stud pitcher and is a PO on a top team, but needs work at the plate and in the field that he wouldn't get on the top team so he plays in a lower division to get those reps.

I don't care either way, just wanted clarification and got it from PGADMIN. Thanks for the quick response.
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oldtimer21

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Posted - 04/10/2019 :  11:26:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One thing that has stood out to me this year is that Tony and the guys are experiencing a learning curve with PG as well. Rules have not been implemented consistently across the board. At some locations, they will allow you to bat as many as you would like, say 12 or 13, but then you get to another park and the kid there enforces the rule as written which says you can only bat 11. Another example is dealing with the pitchsmart rules. I seriously question if they knew that pitchsmart is continuous and does not reset each week with a new tournament. Meaning that if a kid throws 85+ pitches on Sunday, he should not be allowed to pitch on a Thursday night. But that happened. So as frustrating as all these rules are, it's not realistic to think that things would be as smooth as TC. It appears to get better each week and will continue to get better as everyone learns the new landscape. Whether we like it or not, PG is king and we have to play by their rules. I really like how PGADMIN is transparent and replies to questions on this forum.
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RUSemiPro

95 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2019 :  22:03:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, two weeks ago, one semifinal game had a 2 hour time limit, apparently and the other semifinal game had NO time limit and went approx 4 hours. The 4pm championship game didn't start until after 730, and it seemed to be run by a high school kid.

They also have two different umpire organizations as well, and nobody seems to know what rules they are playing by, time rules, run rules etc. And the quality of some of these umps, well... that is a whole different thread.

The only thing they have right is the pitch counts, but like you said, are not really enforced. Just look at the pitch counts, anything with a number in brown is a violation. They are probably at 99% compliance, but it's not perfect either.

https://www.perfectgame.org/events/Tournaments/PitchingRestrictions.aspx?event=9024

https://www.perfectgame.org/events/Tournaments/PitchingRestrictions.aspx?event=9025

https://www.perfectgame.org/events/Tournaments/PitchingRestrictions.aspx?event=9477

There is a learning curve that Tony and the guys are having to go through.

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Originally posted by oldtimer21

One thing that has stood out to me this year is that Tony and the guys are experiencing a learning curve with PG as well. Rules have not been implemented consistently across the board. At some locations, they will allow you to bat as many as you would like, say 12 or 13, but then you get to another park and the kid there enforces the rule as written which says you can only bat 11. Another example is dealing with the pitchsmart rules. I seriously question if they knew that pitchsmart is continuous and does not reset each week with a new tournament. Meaning that if a kid throws 85+ pitches on Sunday, he should not be allowed to pitch on a Thursday night. But that happened. So as frustrating as all these rules are, it's not realistic to think that things would be as smooth as TC. It appears to get better each week and will continue to get better as everyone learns the new landscape. Whether we like it or not, PG is king and we have to play by their rules. I really like how PGADMIN is transparent and replies to questions on this forum.

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Punishers

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Posted - 07/07/2019 :  09:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why not just set a date for rosters to be set? That will prevent roster jumping.
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KentMurphy

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Posted - 07/08/2019 :  10:35:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Punishers

Why not just set a date for rosters to be set? That will prevent roster jumping.



Because PG, unlike other orgs is about the kids. Stemming from the beginning, and it being a 'showcase' organization. I've heard it happening all the time at older age groups, just to ensure kids are 'seen' or get their reps in bigger events. Say, 16U WWBA... 340+ teams. And an org has 2-3 teams in the tourney, and squad B is eliminated before Johnny can pitch/play/be seen by scouts/recruiters. So, Johnny jumps over to squad A or C, to get his pitching in. Basically nearly open rosters, with the only cavat that you cannot "appear" (re: throw a pitch, or record a plate appearance) with more than one team. Heck, you can get defensive reps for team A (but never take an AB, nor pitch), and you haven't technically "appeared" in a game. Again, PG is a higher level org, that caters to showcasing players. Period.
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