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bball_735

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Posted - 08/13/2013 :  10:36:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i think the bigger issue in Gwinnett is the 3 (i could be mistaken...) HS teams that 'require' their players to play summer ball with the HS program. at that point it is not about the kids getting exposure, but the coaches getting more money out of the parents for 28 days of really bad competition...
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rippit

667 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2013 :  19:57:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't know how many Gwinnett HS actually require summer ball, but I know how many make it a perception that its required and the number is way more than three 3. The kids at those schools are afraid NOT to play for another team. Dang shame.
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billbclk

164 Posts

Posted - 08/14/2013 :  11:26:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jongamefan: The winds are changing. Players/families now realize that they need to play showcase ball to get exposure and are trying to play the balancing act and do both. Unfortunately they think that their only option is to pay HS summer ball (that is not a typo).

Their are other options now:

We played 33 games last year (we had 13 rain outs) and enjoyed not having to sell cookies, Christmas trees, cookie dough, etc. We played the majority of our games at East Cobb but I am going to try to balance out the home/away schedule for 2014. I am looking at two weekday games and a DH on Saturday with hopefully 45 - 50 games. Wow that's a lot of games you say. Yes, here's a new concept for HS baseball (EVERYBODY PLAYS). Our least played player last year (a freshmen) started 10 games, played in 16 and was a DH or EH in others). Yes we used EH and DH in our games. That allowed Coach to have 11 players active.

The bottom line was zero complaining about playing time, who was playing where and when. The absolute best season in my son's 14 years of baseball. By the way, I was the manager for most of those years. If anyone wants to know more contact me (Bill Clark) billbclk@charter.net or come to the 2014 tryout this Saturday (rain or shine) at East Cobb.

2014 Tryouts Announced for August 17th (9a - Noon)

For more information please contact Coach Chance Beam (chance@ECBacademy.com>

Keep checking here http://ecbacademy.com/ for more info

Download tryout form here
http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=ecbacademy&sid=774398155

If East Cobbb is not your favorite, then pick one:

Southern Prospects (3 teams): Dave Grove
GameReady Cavs: Steve Howard
Windward: (had a team last year)
West Ga Jackets: (had a team last year)
There are pure home schooled teams (GGC Barons, Homeplate Citadels, Crown Knights)
Church affiliated teams (Johnson Ferry Saints, Grace Baptist)
GISA schools (Multiple very competitive teams)

There will be more as the years go by.

I am working on the 2014 schedule that includes 25 teams from a list of more than 100 state and southeast regional opponents. Last year we played many competitive games along with some that were not so competitive (but that can be said about every GHSA school).
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TAZ980002

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Posted - 08/14/2013 :  13:47:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jongamefan

quote:
Originally posted by rippit

Don't know how many Gwinnett HS actually require summer ball, but I know how many make it a perception that its required and the number is way more than three 3. The kids at those schools are afraid NOT to play for another team. Dang shame.



Sounds like it time to call GHSA and see what they think about it:
706 - 647 - 7473



From the GHSA constitution:
"During the summer (i.e., between the ending of one school year and the beginning of the next) the
only restrictions on practices and competition are that all activities must be strictly voluntary
"

Still, coaches make it known throughout the program that if you don't participate you will be cut or playing time will be minimized. Other coaches (the better ones in my opinion) realize the value of the training and experience players get from their travel/showcase teams and don't make a big deal about school Summer ball.
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AA17Dad

211 Posts

Posted - 03/27/2014 :  12:00:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are there any programs like these on the south side of Atlanta? With 2 years of HS ball coming to an end and 2 more to go I just don't know if we can take much more.
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crackedbats

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Posted - 04/04/2014 :  15:10:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Homeplate has a team. Plays at a very high level.
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CoachMark

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Posted - 04/17/2014 :  09:40:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there a league that these teams play in or does every team just make their own schedule and just play?
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rippit

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Posted - 04/17/2014 :  12:21:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CoachMark

Is there a league that these teams play in or does every team just make their own schedule and just play?



I'm not sure about actual leagues since we haven't participated, but I've seen and heard the following from friends and actual coaches we've known in the past. More and more summer/fall programs (even high level ones) are now offering a spring option as well. Not only do they play a local spring schedule, they travel to other states to play in tournaments on weekends.

While my gut reaction a few years ago was negative (these are kids who can't cut the mustard), it's changing now. These are kids who maybe didn't have grades, go to very small private schools with no baseball program, who have had negative experiences at their HS (see other threads on this). I personally think it's great for a #4 or #5 PO on down the line who wants mound time and a HS schedule can be covered with 3 starting pitchers plus the position players who also pitch. Better than sitting.

It's also good for seeing much better pitching (lots of control and location) if you are a JV player in a really bad region and aren't seeing squat from February to April and then are suddenly thrown into summer ball mid May seeing 80+. No reason to struggle when you can get plate appearances all the while and get ahead of the curve so to speak.

Let's face it, HS coaches aren't into promoting your player like the summer programs are. If these programs start branching into spring, where is your player going to get the most exposure? HS play is for posterity and bragging rights. The serious Ace isn't even challenged. Too many really good possible D2 and D3 players sitting on the bench (and maybe some under developed D1 as well) in HS with politics dictating playing time in most programs. If your son really really REALLY wants to just play baseball, check out a spring team away from HS. If your son is happy just being one of the guys, play HS ball and cheer on the other kids.
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AllStar

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Posted - 04/23/2014 :  15:58:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rippit

quote:
Originally posted by CoachMark

Is there a league that these teams play in or does every team just make their own schedule and just play?



I'm not sure about actual leagues since we haven't participated, but I've seen and heard the following from friends and actual coaches we've known in the past. More and more summer/fall programs (even high level ones) are now offering a spring option as well. Not only do they play a local spring schedule, they travel to other states to play in tournaments on weekends.

While my gut reaction a few years ago was negative (these are kids who can't cut the mustard), it's changing now. These are kids who maybe didn't have grades, go to very small private schools with no baseball program, who have had negative experiences at their HS (see other threads on this). I personally think it's great for a #4 or #5 PO on down the line who wants mound time and a HS schedule can be covered with 3 starting pitchers plus the position players who also pitch. Better than sitting.

It's also good for seeing much better pitching (lots of control and location) if you are a JV player in a really bad region and aren't seeing squat from February to April and then are suddenly thrown into summer ball mid May seeing 80+. No reason to struggle when you can get plate appearances all the while and get ahead of the curve so to speak.

Let's face it, HS coaches aren't into promoting your player like the summer programs are. If these programs start branching into spring, where is your player going to get the most exposure? HS play is for posterity and bragging rights. The serious Ace isn't even challenged. Too many really good possible D2 and D3 players sitting on the bench (and maybe some under developed D1 as well) in HS with politics dictating playing time in most programs. If your son really really REALLY wants to just play baseball, check out a spring team away from HS. If your son is happy just being one of the guys, play HS ball and cheer on the other kids.



Just based on what little I know, this sounds about right. The names that I did recognize when Southern Prospects first hit the scene were pretty good ball players. Only they know why SP was a better fit than their respective schools, but it sure wasn't a lack of ability.
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GeorgiaBaseballDad

24 Posts

Posted - 05/02/2014 :  14:49:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My first post was removed, so I have rewritten it - hopefully this will be acceptable to the moderator. I am writing this to make others aware of our experience with this team.
My son did not make his high school team, so I signed him up for Southern Prospect's High School Spring League.
We had a poor experience with this team, and do not recommend it.
Fee is $1500.00
Roster of 16 was promised - 26+ players were actually on the team. Playing time was cut in half, from what would have been expected on a 16 player roster. Parents and players were told the squad would be split in half to play in separate games. This did not occur.
Two College players for instruction were promised - halfway through the season, one college age player showed up to coach the bases for a few games, but no instruction was ever offered the entire season.
Home field location was changed from Legion Field in Alpharetta, to EE Robinson Field in Sugar Hill, which impacted travel times greatly. In addition, EE Robinson has a dirt infield, and is difficult for pitchers, as a portable youth mound was used.
40-50 games were promised. Approximately 24 games were played. A large portion of those were played in the last 8 days of the season. The majority of games during the season were scrimmages between the Southern Prospect players - not against other teams. Only the Andrew College rain-out was rescheduled - no others. No refunds were offered.
Multiple Tournaments were promised, which partially accounted for the high team fee - only one end of season tournament was played.
College Campus games, at multiple Universities, in front of scouts were promised - only one DH was played at Andrew College in front of two local scouts, and for only the first of the two games. Players that did not play in the first game, were not see by the scouts.
Uniforms, which account for part of the fees for any team, consisted of two jerseys and a hat.
Personally, I did not receive value for what was paid, and did not have a good experience. I will be glad to discuss personally.
Other options for spring ball:
Explore the local Christian High Schools, some of which accept players that are not students of the school. Some of their fees are quite reasonable - in line with rec ball. This leaves plenty of money to take private instruction, concurrently.
15-18 Rec Ball, also leaving enough money to do quite a bit of instruction. Some of the area 15-18 rec leagues are quite good, from past experience.
As with any travel team, I would recommend trying to split the fees in multiple payments. This way, if you encounter problems, you retain some leverage, or can depart without a huge financial loss.
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baseballcrazymom

58 Posts

Posted - 05/04/2014 :  11:06:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just my 2 cents: if SP collected money for tournaments then didn't really play in any, they should refund that money. The rest sounds like a money grab. Thanks for posting this. There is at least one other business who had similar practices last spring/summer. They are now out of business. Infer what you wish from that statement.
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BaronsAD

6 Posts

Posted - 06/17/2014 :  09:28:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you homeshool you might want to think about the Barons. They been around over 20 years and have sent over 75 boys to the next level. First MLB homeschooled player ever drafted was a Baron. They also take boys from 3 day a week schools. The Barons varsity program played over 40 games last spring. (Including 5 tournaments). Contact Jim Deitsch at JDeitsch@geosyntec.com for more info.
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East Cobb Academy

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Posted - 09/11/2014 :  08:40:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The East Cobb Baseball Academy will be conducting tryouts for its Spring HS Baseball team, in late September. Dates and times to follow.

We field a competitive team and we play against private High Schools, GISA Schools, and other independent teams. This coming season, Perfect Game will be hosting games/tournaments for Independent teams, like ours. This will be our third season. In season one, 5 of our 6 seniors went on to play college baseball. Last years team graduated 6 seniors to the college ranks.

Our players are typically athletes who choose not to play for their HS team, players who attend small schools that do not have a baseball team or are Home school athletes.

How are we different than the usual high school baseball experience? WE play about 40 games compared to about 18 for the typical high school team. Most of our games are played at ECB complex, great fields and facilities. We provide top instruction, our team is managed by Russ Dickerson. We provide our upper classmen with guidance if they want to play college baseball.
Check out our website (although it still contains info from last years team), tryout info will be posted their soon.

http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=ecbacademy&sid=42602343

If you have questions, you may reach me at ecba.team@gmail.com or you can leave a phone # and I will be happy to call you back. I, personally, have had all 3 of my sons play on this team and can answer any parent-related questions for you.

Check back soon for tryout dates and times.
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15UBaseball

17 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2015 :  07:24:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What does it cost?
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prestont

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Posted - 02/02/2015 :  12:45:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by riverdog1

We will play most of our games at Legion Field in Alpharetta.



Our favorite field! From what I understand they just laser leveled it too. Concessions are reasonable, and sure is nice heading into the Legion hall to pick up a cold one and enjoy watching you son play.

We found out about the Legion hall last year when a TD let me in on the news.
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Rube

21 Posts

Posted - 02/10/2015 :  14:56:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Windward Baseball Academy is fielding HS age team this spring.

www.windwardbaseball.com
Midtown area traveling north to Cobb , Fulton , Gwinnet where can a high school boy play spring-time baseball if didnt make his high school team ?


What should we expect for practices games and expenses?


Thanx
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drewmeadows

26 Posts

Posted - 03/27/2015 :  15:01:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went to Walton, live near Pope, and my son plays elite summer ball at East Cobb. What I find intriguing is the steady shift to the Independent High School programs. What used to be a project is growing into something more powerful. What used to be made fun of is growing into something respected and even attractive. Families have found it to have less drama, excellent coaching, and that more and more talent is considering Independent. It is not perfect, nothing is, but it is a great option for many.

One of the real downsides is that it isn't GHSA and doesn't attract the attention in the paper. But make no mistake, it is attracting more attention than it used to. Several first-round draft picks out of High School were Independent. These independent programs attract private school, public school that didn't make the team or choose not to play for them, homeschool, non traditional.

One high school team to note are the Saints of Johnson Ferry Christian Academy. They have two squads that are undefeated, 25-0 thus far. Undefeated...yet I venture that most have never heard of them. Other strong Independents they compete against include East Cobb Baseball Academy, Home Plate Citadels, East Cobb Padres, Southern Prospects, and others. JFCA has several D-1 committed and/or recruited players that are nationally ranked through Perfect Game. Many elite D-1 programs and MLB scouts are following several of our boys. And it is fun, competitive, teamwork baseball - the way high school should be. And it is excellent prep for the pressure-filled, critical summer seasons coming up.
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Deron Buice

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Posted - 08/15/2016 :  13:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The East Cobb Saints will be holding tryouts for the upcoming spring season on August 27th. Formerly known as the Johnson Ferry Saints, is an elite high school academy baseball program that plays out of the beautiful East Cobb Baseball Complex. This program is for players from 9th to 12th grade who are looking for a competitive alternative to High School baseball with a faith based environment. In the past two years the Saints have posted a record of 72 wins and 12 losses, including a 1st place finish in the Vision Sports World Series, a 3rd place finish in the HWSA World Series, and a second place finish in the NACA World Series. The primary focus of the East Cobb Saints is player development on and off the field. With of the help of six coaches, all with college or pro experience, the young men will grow in their playing abilities, character, and faith. Tryouts for this prestigious program are invitation only. Players or parents can call 404-276-1657 to receive more information and an invitation.

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ecbabats

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Posted - 10/11/2016 :  17:13:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The East Cobb Baseball Academy will be conducting tryouts for its Spring HS Baseball team on November 6 at ECB Complex.
We field a competitive team and we play against private High Schools, GISA Schools, and other independent teams. This coming March, Perfect Game will be hosting a tournament for Independent/Academy teams, which we will compete in again, at Lakepoint, in Emerson. This will be our fifth season. In our first 4 seasons, we have sent 17 student athletes to play college baseball.
Our players are typically athletes who choose not to play for their HS team, players who attend small schools that do not have a baseball team or are Home school athletes. Whatever the reason, make no mistake, this is very competitive High School Baseball.
How are we different than the usual high school baseball experience? WE play about 30-40 games compared to about 18 for the typical high school team. Last year, our record was 27-5-1. Most of our games are played at ECB complex, great fields and facilities. We provide top instruction, our team is managed by Matt Hightower, (see his resume). We provide our upper classmen with guidance if they want to play college baseball.

If you have questions, you may reach Matt at the email listed below or if you have any parent related questions, you can reach me at ecba.team@gmail.com . Either way, let one of us know if you plan on attending the tryout.

Greg Norman
ECB Academy HS Team Admin

You may Matt at the Contact info below.

Matt Hightower
eastcobbmatt@gmail.com
ECB Academy HS Team
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Deron - Buice

20 Posts

Posted - 08/02/2017 :  15:59:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Saints Baseball will be holding tryouts for the upcoming spring 2018 season on Sunday August 27th. Formerly known as the Johnson Ferry Saints, is an elite high school academy baseball program that plays the highest level of competition. In the past 3 years the Saints have posted a record of 101 wins and 24 losses, including a 1st place finish in the Vision Sports World Series, a 3rd place finish in the HWSA World Series, and a 2nd place finish in the NACA World Series. Saints Baseball is for players from 9th to 12th grade who are looking for a high-level competitive alternative to High School baseball in order to prepare themselves to play at the college level. The primary focus of Saints Baseball is player development. Skills development is key in an effort to help players achieve their goal of playing at the college level. Saints baseball has sent 12 players into the college ranks, including 4 in last year's class of 2017, and one now playing professionally. Tryouts for this prestigious program are invitation only. Players or parents can call 404-276-1657 to receive more information and an invitation.
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Deron - Buice

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Posted - 08/04/2017 :  22:05:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Saints Baseball will be holding tryouts for the upcoming spring 2018 season on Sunday August 27th. Formerly known as the Johnson Ferry Saints, is an elite high school academy baseball program that plays the highest level of competition. In the past 3 years the Saints have posted a record of 101 wins and 24 losses, including a 1st place finish in the Vision Sports World Series, a 3rd place finish in the HWSA World Series, and a 2nd place finish in the NACA World Series. Saints Baseball is for players from 9th to 12th grade who are looking for a high-level competitive alternative to High School baseball in order to prepare themselves to play at the college level. The primary focus of Saints Baseball is player development. Skills development is key in an effort to help players achieve their goal of playing at the college level. Saints baseball has sent 12 players into the college ranks, including 4 in last year's class of 2017, and one now playing professionally. Tryouts for this prestigious program are invitation only. Players or parents can call 404-276-1657 to receive more information and an invitation.
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Deron - Buice

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Posted - 08/23/2017 :  16:23:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Saints Baseball will be holding tryouts for the upcoming spring 2018 season on Sunday August 27th. Formerly known as the Johnson Ferry Saints, is an elite high school academy baseball program that plays the highest level of competition. In the past 3 years the Saints have posted a record of 101 wins and 24 losses, including a 1st place finish in the Vision Sports World Series, a 3rd place finish in the HWSA World Series, and a 2nd place finish in the NACA World Series. Saints Baseball is for players from 9th to 12th grade who are looking for a high-level competitive alternative to High School baseball in order to prepare themselves to play at the college level. The primary focus of Saints Baseball is player development. Skills development is key in an effort to help players achieve their goal of playing at the college level. Saints baseball has sent 12 players into the college ranks, including 4 in last year's class of 2017, and one now playing professionally. Tryouts for this prestigious program are invitation only. Players or parents can call 404-276-1657 to receive more information and an invitation.
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