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bosox04
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 Posted - 02/28/2011 : 14:14:14
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Just wanted to get some thoughts. I won't mention the team by name.
Game on the line. Runner at third. Pitcher comes set. The third base coach starts yelling at the top of his lungs at his runner but he's really trying to get the opposing pitcher to balk.
Teaching the kids good baseball or win at any cost? |
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UGA12
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 14:55:13
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That is very poor sportsmanship. If it takes a grown man yelling to win the game, then whose win is it anyway? That is ridiculous and not baseball at all. Let the boys play. I hope the other coach called time and questioned the umpires about his antics.
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Originally posted by bosox04
Just wanted to get some thoughts. I won't mention the team by name.
Game on the line. Runner at third. Pitcher comes set. The third base coach starts yelling at the top of his lungs at his runner but he's really trying to get the opposing pitcher to balk.
Teaching the kids good baseball or win at any cost?
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baseballnutz
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:04:45
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| Have seen it many times and it's bush - when coaches become part of the game it's bush. I don't mind sending the runner to draw a balk but when a coach starts screaming while he's starting his move to home in my opinion it's bush. |
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itsabouttheboys
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:10:12
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Agreed - poor sportsmanship. I know the game you are referring to Bosox. The situation was that the team was being beaten. The boys weren't making the win happen, so the coach took it into his own hands. He might as well have put on a helmet and stepped into the batter's box.
I'm new to posting here. My login should tell you about me. These are 10 year olds! Its not about winning at any cost - certainly not in February when the season is just beginnng. The important thing is that they learn how to play the game and enjoy the game. Had that team lost - so be it. They would have had to learn how to deal with adversity, which all players do.
If a group of good players, well-coached (meaning well-prepared), is able to win lots of games because they play better, then good for them. But at least the boys will earn it and be prouder for it.
Those two teams will meet again, and hopefully the coaches will let the boys play baseball, not interfere, and the best team will win.
Remember - its about the boys!
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Spartan4
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:57:22
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| I have to agree with everybody on this one......I hate it! |
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mwk2814
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:29:15
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I was at this game and would like to share my opinion. The coach at 3rd yelled for his player to Go! Go! Go! and the pitcher balked. Some people will say this is competitive baseball not rec ball and some will say it was bush. Personally I have mixed feelings on this.
I remember when my oldest son first started playing travel ball at 8U, and a more experienced team was sending runners early, doing delayed steals, baiting throws to third and then easily going home. The whole time their dugout and fans were in a frenzy and our kids were rattled. Our team was not prepared for these situations and even with the score out of hand they continued to run it up. Our message to our kids was that we needed to do a better job of preparing them as coaches and that when we showed we could turn these tricks into easy outs, the little boy tricks, the chanting, and the taunting would stop. I promise you that the next time we played that team, the tricks stopped.
Speaking of sportsmanship, I wonder what most coaches and parents would think about an adult yelling at the top of their lungs to a line of 10 year olds after a game that they are cheaters? I don't care what your opinion on the above play, there is no place in youth sports for that.
I know for a fact that this is not representative of the coaches or parents of this particular team, but we all need to be mindful that it only takes one person to lose perspective on what is really important in life to create a really ugly thing for 10 year olds to experience. |
Edited by - mwk2814 on 02/28/2011 20:14:52 |
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CenterField
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 19:36:29
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| Im surprised this play didn't get mentioned earlier in the threads about that particular tournament. I was completely stunned by the actions of that coach. I held that team in very high regard after playing them last season, but this was BUSH LEAGUE. Its bad enough coming from kids when the pitcher goes into motion, but there is NO EXCUSE for a coach doing that. |
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ECBBBMOM
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 20:26:41
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| My son was the pitcher on the mound at the time of this play. As a mother it crushed me to see his confusion at what the coach from the other team was doing and then the utter disappointment when he finally realized what had happened. It was shocking, to say the least. Even the runner on third base had no idea what was happening, the coach practically pushed him down the 3rd base line while flapping his arms and screaming Go, Go, Go! It was difficult to try to explain to a 10 year old boy why he failed to win the game for his team. Unfortunately, it was a life lesson I didn't want to teach. |
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travelballer55
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 21:12:03
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Originally posted by mwk2814
The coach at 3rd yelled for his player to Go! Go! Go! and the pitcher balked. Some people will say this is competitive baseball not rec ball and some will say it was bush.
Was the kid stealing home? |
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Scorekeeper
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 23:00:12
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I hate the nonsense chanting, its barely tolerable at any point, but defintiely not when the pitcher is in motion.
Speaking of bush league though.............You better make sure no one but your pitcher touches the ball or walks across the mound as you are changing sides in the middle of an inning.
We had our #1 pitcher put out of the champ game one time because our well meaning right fielder picked the ball up and handed it to the #1 pitcher on his way out to his position. Right fielder now pitcher of record because he held the ball on the mound near the rubber. Complete setup by the other team who had the umps looking for it and had their pitcher place the ball on top of the rubber after out #3.
Live and learn the dirty tricks. |
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Scorekeeper
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 23:09:05
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Other worst stunt I have seen pulled. Bottom of the sixth down by one run, big hitters coming up..................... first batter gets good swing on the ball but it seems to come off the bat dead? Hmmmm? Must have missed the sweet spot. Second batter same thing. Hey did that ball sound funny when it was hit? Third batter crunches the ball and the same strange sound as the ball floats barely to the outfielder? What the heck? Hey! Let me see that ball Mr. Ump.
USSSA stamped leather grade stamped hard competition ball? Nope! Dicks Sporting Goods brand synthetic cover soft $2.99 practice ball.
Now where did that ball magically come from?
Live and learn the tricks. Never let them happen again to your team.
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Scorekeeper
35 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 23:13:31
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| If the coach touched the runner , the runner shoudl have been automatically called out. |
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CooneyECBYankees
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 23:28:48
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| My name is Mike Cooney and I am the head coach of the 10U ECB Yankees. Over the course of the past few months, I've read some fairly disturbing posts on this site (aimed at discrediting what our boys have achieved for themselves or the entire ECB program as a whole). For some reason, there is a chronic belittling of the Yankee program. Now I am reading that my personal integrity has been challenged due to our coaching staff having made a decision to steal home during the course of a fantastic game be playing against a very strong ECB Titans team. This is nonsense. We determined where we needed to be to successfully steal the base, and when we reached that point, I communicated with my player to go. For those who want to disagree with how I may have communicated with my player in timing his jump and getting a great break to steal home, that is fine and is your opinion; however, the ECB Titan pitchers had balked at least 4 times this past weekend, and it was a matter of the pitcher attempting to rush his throw to meet my runner that caused him to balk. Under no circumstances was I yelling at an opposing player or touch our runner or anything as ridiculous as this forum has stated. It is disgusting that coaches or families would use a forum such as this to hide behind in belittling me, my coaches, or even worse my players. After this game, parents of opposing teams called my players "cheaters" for having been coached in aspects of this game. These are 10 year old boys, and while they may have a history of well deserved achievements, those responsible for aiming their frustrations on children should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. We pride ourselves on teaching these boys the game of baseball, and win or lose, our coaches and players will conduct themselves as gentlemen. To be unfoundedly labeled by such a forum is fine (however feel free to call me personally if you like), but to attack a boy (in the stands on the way to the bathroom) is despicable. One final statement is that there are some who believe that our boys always get an easy run or possibly have not deserved the accolades that have earned...please feel free to call me and I will more than happy to play your team. I believe in our team and believe it to be the strongest Yankee team we have ever fielded. Your opinion may be different, but rather than put us down, simply ask to play us. If you win, my players and coaches will tip our hat. We have an exceptional program, and would be thrilled to play whomever, wherever. |
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JDP12
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 10:24:51
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| How do you expect a third base coach to tell his 10yr old when to leave to steal home. These are not college kids that know when to leave. That is baseball and the coach yelling at his runner at third to go is the only way I can think you could get a 10yr old to leave at the right time. It is not exactly something you work on all the time. We played against the Yankees last year and their coaching staff showed nothing but class the whole time. One of the games even went three extra innings in bracket play so it does not get more intense than that and they showed nothing but class the whole time. BTW I have no sides here because we are an 11U team and not affiliated with EC in any way. |
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bosox04
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 10:36:43
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Didn't know about the attacking the players on the way to the bathroom part. I was there when the boys came up and we were clapping for our players. If this did happen, then it's a bad day for baseball. We all need to set a better example for the boys.
Just like we teach our boys to keep their heads up and think about the next play, let's move on and get ready for next weekend. |
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