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rippit

667 Posts

Posted - 03/24/2012 :  21:53:03  Show Profile
Easton rival -5 with the green paint job. Legal or not??? Sure does sound illegal.

in_the_know

985 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2012 :  00:34:25  Show Profile
Maybe legal. There are some that we're manufactured prior to the new stamp, and others sold last fall with the new stamp and had the identical graphic treatment. My son has one with the stamp (BG12XL) that he is using this season, and used one last season that did not have the stamp.

Edited by - in_the_know on 03/25/2012 08:29:09
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Beaux

23 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2012 :  06:38:12  Show Profile
Based on the "new rules" it has the new stamp which makes it legal. For what that's worth.
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rippit

667 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2012 :  10:24:51  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Beaux

Based on the "new rules" it has the new stamp which makes it legal. For what that's worth.



Not worth anything! I'm seeing what you guys have been saying all along. Challenged that bat and everybody agreed it was okay. Kid on our side pulled the same bat out of his bag from last year and our side started using it too. Lol.

Game before: other team had a bat that looked really worn and most of the team was using it. How can a bat look that raggedy if everybody had to buy a new bat 6 months ago?

This is out of control. The 3rd baseman nearly got creamed twice in that game too.
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funnyhop

74 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2012 :  16:03:43  Show Profile
14U - 170 lb kids with BESR bats (with a silly stamp)= recipe for disaster.

These kids are too strong and the rules state they can legally use the 1.15 stamped bat. They are the same bat! We don't need to kid ourselves that they are different. The kids know this and will use that bat until the rules change.

Go to BBCOR for all ages and end the insanity.
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fieldofdreams

3 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2012 :  09:52:54  Show Profile
I agree funnyhop. This whole Rival situation is a complete joke. These bats are not close to safe, nor any different from the hot bats kids have used for years. My son is a 14U pitcher and I have half a mind to not let him pitch in tournaments anymore if the "legal" Rival bat is allowed.

Know of any BBCOR only tournaments?
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in_the_know

985 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2012 :  11:27:26  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by fieldofdreams

I agree funnyhop. This whole Rival situation is a complete joke. These bats are not close to safe, nor any different from the hot bats kids have used for years. My son is a 14U pitcher and I have half a mind to not let him pitch in tournaments anymore if the "legal" Rival bat is allowed.

Know of any BBCOR only tournaments?



Yep, wood bat tourney's. You do realize that BBCOR bats ONLY come in -3, which isn't required until 15u.
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funnyhop

74 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2012 :  11:40:38  Show Profile
Field, I personally do not know of any BBCOR only tournaments. I doubt there will be any since the rules don't require them. The only venue would be the JV / HS arena. There, the boys are required to use a BBCOR drop 3.

The game is entirely different when the 14U kids are allowed to use the non BBCOR bats. Just go and watch a HS game and you will see. No comparison whatsoever and a lot less anxiety as a parent/grandparent when watching the HS games.

Actually a much better game in my opinion too...........but I am old school.
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fieldofdreams

3 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2012 :  13:29:41  Show Profile
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Yep, wood bat tourney's. You do realize that BBCOR bats ONLY come in -3, which isn't required until 15u.
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Yes, I do realize. Maybe it is time for -5 to go away for a 14U player and make -3 BBCOR the standard. Most of the good players with designs on making their HS team are (or should be) swinging them already.
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in_the_know

985 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2012 :  14:17:55  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by fieldofdreams




Yep, wood bat tourney's. You do realize that BBCOR bats ONLY come in -3, which isn't required until 15u.
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Yes, I do realize. Maybe it is time for -5 to go away for a 14U player and make -3 BBCOR the standard. Most of the good players with designs on making their HS team are (or should be) swinging them already.
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I don't disagree at all. My oldest moved to -3 when he was 13 (BESR at the time) and my 13u swings BBCOR in cage/practice/scrimmages and -5 in games. I would let him swing -3 in games if it weren't BBCOR and put the team at such a disadvantage of a using a relatively dead bat. I see 14u players still swinging -8 and we even had one swing a -10 a couple of years ago.

The only reason I mentioned that BBCOR is only -3 is that a lot of people on this forum use the term BBCOR synonymous to all weight drops of bats. What they really intend to imply is that the BBCOR barrel standards should be used across the board and get rid of the 1.15 bpf standard, so they say that everyone should use BBCOR. Obviously not too many 10u players would be very successful sporting a 31/28.
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rippit

667 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2012 :  17:08:15  Show Profile
Saw some shorties on a 14u team this weekend. Not bad players, but when they stood next to the slightly above average 14 year old you see why they are still allowed to swing -5. Also saw my son standing next to a 6'5" 14 year old and so badly wished I could drag those shorties over to stand next to him!!! To thInk the big guy can still swing a -5 too is past scary!

Might need to divide 14u tourneys into height rqmts. Lol.
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ronicard

117 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2012 :  14:55:20  Show Profile
There's a simpler way than worrying about BBCOR vs non-BBCOR vs wood bats. If you want to protect the fielders, allow the pitchers to throw strikes from the bottom of the kneecap to the armpits like the rule book says. Currently, a batter only has to protect from the knees to the belt so a high hard fastball is a wasted pitch if they choose not to swing. When they have to protect against that pitch and the larger strike zone, you'll see less balls so hard that you even worry about it.

The strike zone was "shrunk" by the major league umpires because MLB wanted more scoring, more runs scored, more excitement so that people would come to watch the game. Unfortunately, that strike zone made its way down to youth baseball.
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stixxbaseball10

14 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2012 :  11:09:38  Show Profile
Like it or not these are the rules. 1.15bpf bats are here for at least one more year. No one was complaining last year about these bats. Yes, the Rival bat is the same as last year but it is LEGAL, PERIOD!!!Some bats like the Exogrid are acually much better than last years model. Every bat company has a line of 1.15 bats that are usually the same bat as last year. The mistake was that non-BBCOR composites were not completely banned.BIG Mistake. These bats offer a huge advantage over the metal besr bats. Easily 30 ft. difference on solid hits. Lay off the metal bats and concentrate on the real danger. Non-BBcor COMPOSITE Bats!!! Easton Omen.
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funnyhop

74 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2012 :  11:25:08  Show Profile
I wonder if any of the coaches get to choose which bats they use to hit fungos during practice?

That's right, one of the kid's Combat or Omen is the first bat they pick. Not the BBCOR bat.......it has no pop and it makes the coaches work a bit harder then they have to.

BBCOR bats have entirely different rebound standards than BESR bats. Hitting a homerun off the shoetops is going to continue to happen regardless of strike zone changes until all the kids go to BBCOR.....that is a fact.

If you don't believe it, go to a high school game and watch, then go to a 14U travel tournament and watch the exact same kids.........entirely different game.......and the same strike zones. Not even close to the same game.

Set the standard for all bats (from -10 to -3)to BBCOR and the problems go away. Either that or go to wood.
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in_the_know

985 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2012 :  12:33:45  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by funnyhop

I wonder if any of the coaches get to choose which bats they use to hit fungos during practice?

That's right, one of the kid's Combat or Omen is the first bat they pick. Not the BBCOR bat.......it has no pop and it makes the coaches work a bit harder then they have to.

BBCOR bats have entirely different rebound standards than BESR bats. Hitting a homerun off the shoetops is going to continue to happen regardless of strike zone changes until all the kids go to BBCOR.....that is a fact.

If you don't believe it, go to a high school game and watch, then go to a 14U travel tournament and watch the exact same kids.........entirely different game.......and the same strike zones. Not even close to the same game.

Set the standard for all bats (from -10 to -3)to BBCOR and the problems go away. Either that or go to wood.



A REAL coach reaches for a fungo . . . .
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