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mbdale

28 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  11:39:33  Show Profile
My point is that this bat was made BEFORE the USSSA stamp went into effect. Sporting goods suppliers sent their inventory back to the manufacturers and they stamped and returned them. That's going to be the liability issue if a kid gets seriously hurt. If my son were to be injured by one of those bats, you can bet I'm leaving the dugout to grab the bat and no one is getting it back until it has been tested.
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ecbpappi

244 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  11:40:43  Show Profile
so, what is a real baseball bat? a big barrel? There are many 12U kids hitting baseballs 300 ft with big barrel bats but we are worried about a few kids hitting with "the little red bat"?


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Originally posted by JJJ

The question is why does USSSA or Triple Crown allow the use of softball bats in baseball. GET RID OF THE LITTLE RED BAT and Blue Combat and make these kids swing real baseball bats. Level the playing field and avoid unneeded injuries. Eventually somebody will get seriously hurt and their parents will sue the bat companies AND USSSA for allowing this when everyone that ever watches a game knows this is ridiculous.

Some of these kids are going to be in for a big change when they have to swing a big barrell, drop 3 bat, in the next 18 months.

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JJJ

12 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  12:15:59  Show Profile
A real bat would be one that you see high schoolers, college or pro players using. Yes, a normal barrell bat. They need standardize this. When we played, you couldn't use a softball bat to play baseball - not sure why that changed. Please send me pictures of high schools with the little red bat.

BTW - nobody said a huge 12U kid couldn't hit it close to 300 feet. What we are talking about is average size 12U kids (100 lbs) hitting 300 feet when you watch these same kids earlier in the year with a real bat, not hit is 225. That is the issue. Anyone defending this bat has to have kids on their team using it. Our coach won't allow it as he views it as cheating.

Edited by - JJJ on 06/26/2012 12:27:28
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gatorboy1

56 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  12:22:15  Show Profile
why is everyone so hung up on the usssa stamp? There is no difference between a bat made in 2010 and one made with the usssa stamp in 2012, the manufacturer will tell you the same thing. All of us had to go out and buy a new bat that had the stamp but are the kids more protected? Nope, the balls are still flying out of the park as before.

Now, bbcor bats are different but that is for HS aged kids/players, those hit truly like wood bats.

Edited by - gatorboy1 on 06/26/2012 12:27:40
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  12:25:39  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by mbdale

My point is that this bat was made BEFORE the USSSA stamp went into effect. Sporting goods suppliers sent their inventory back to the manufacturers and they stamped and returned them. That's going to be the liability issue if a kid gets seriously hurt. If my son were to be injured by one of those bats, you can bet I'm leaving the dugout to grab the bat and no one is getting it back until it has been tested.



Not true at all.....it is ridiculous how uninformed some people are. This bat was NEVER sent back to anybody. It has the "old" stamp which is also 1.15 BPF(same as the new magical thumbprint stamp).....99% of last years models met the 1.15 standard as well(which is why you see many late runs of last years bats with the thumbprint stamp).....instead being an Internet tough guy about taking someone's bat to have it tested(lmao) why don't you sign your team up for events that are wood bat only?? There were 2 wood bat tourneys last weekend that you could have signed your team up with. Again, this bat is LEGAL and meets the 1.15BPF standard that your teams bats are also required to meet......we have to put our boys on the mound against the 2 1/4 Stealth XL weekly so our boys will swing it....the new model (with your almighty thumbprint stamp) is exactly the same and "sounds" the same with a different paint job.....we gonna cry about that one next season?!?!?
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5220 Fans

112 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  13:56:24  Show Profile
100% agree!!! Whats even worse are the bats that have been "Juiced". You can hear the difference. The tone goes from the regular crack we are all use to hearing with these composite bats, to a dull thudd. The best way to describe the sound, it almost sounds like the ball is soaking wet, or a rubber ball has been hit. Its time to put these coaches, parents and players on notice, enough already. Let them boys play baseball, and stop playing homerun derby


quote:
Originally posted by mbdale

My point is that this bat was made BEFORE the USSSA stamp went into effect. Sporting goods suppliers sent their inventory back to the manufacturers and they stamped and returned them. That's going to be the liability issue if a kid gets seriously hurt. If my son were to be injured by one of those bats, you can bet I'm leaving the dugout to grab the bat and no one is getting it back until it has been tested.

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adad

6 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  14:42:29  Show Profile
eastcobbkreskin-
i am not questioning any one bat, only stating that i know certain folks are and will continue to do whatever they can to gain an advantage for little johnny-major leaguers juice themselves, little leaguers juice bats-in the case of bats it may be rolling, shaving or whatever....what i do know is that like everything else in life its not a problem until its a problem-: a child getting killed or severely injured...there need to be consequences for altering of bats...the reality is it aint gonna happen
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SCOOBY42

17 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  15:57:51  Show Profile
My kids struck out 23 times in 3 games! We shoulda cheated!!!!! lol
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GAFarmer

90 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  16:55:18  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by JABA

Ummm............. This story is about a kid being hit by a pitch when he was up to bat? Very sad for sure, but not sure how this has anything to do with the bat? No reason to blame parents for buying their kids legal bats either, that's ridiculous. If someone is cheating, that's one thing - and penalties should be harsh. Bats have to meet a certain limit today which is a step in the right direction, there was no limit 20 years ago. Pretty sure most parents who have the opportunity will provide their kid with the best legal tools to succeed, whether it's in baseball or any other sport - why is that a bad thing?



JABA try telling little spoiled Johnny "NO!" It builds charachter. Better get ready for the drop 3 as that is another observation from the seeing hundreds of games. Many kids cannot handle the -3 the first year and some kids drop out before adapting to the new bat size. Lots of pop ups as the bat head tends to drop.

Also there was a professional artist in Florida that was painting the stamp on bats and making a mint. You would need a secret service agent to tell the difference.
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  18:36:19  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by GAFarmer

quote:
Originally posted by JABA

Ummm............. This story is about a kid being hit by a pitch when he was up to bat? Very sad for sure, but not sure how this has anything to do with the bat? No reason to blame parents for buying their kids legal bats either, that's ridiculous. If someone is cheating, that's one thing - and penalties should be harsh. Bats have to meet a certain limit today which is a step in the right direction, there was no limit 20 years ago. Pretty sure most parents who have the opportunity will provide their kid with the best legal tools to succeed, whether it's in baseball or any other sport - why is that a bad thing?



JABA try telling little spoiled Johnny "NO!" It builds charachter. Better get ready for the drop 3 as that is another observation from the seeing hundreds of games. Many kids cannot handle the -3 the first year and some kids drop out before adapting to the new bat size. Lots of pop ups as the bat head tends to drop.

Also there was a professional artist in Florida that was painting the stamp on bats and making a mint. You would need a secret service agent to tell the difference.



Tell him NO for what reason tho?? The other team can swing -10s but because this one looks different it is bad?? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't even remember -8 or -5 we went directly to -3 and you are totally right it does take some time to get used to.

Painting of the stamp is clearly cheating, using a bat that has the stamp from USSSA is not. Also just so all the ole Georgia bat experts out there, got curious and went thru all the bats in the "sports closet" and both of our TPX Catalyst bats from 2008 and 2009 both have the old 1.15BPF stamp on them...Why all this noise about the stamps when it CAN'T be any more obvious they didn't change a thing just found a way to profit using safety as the selling point?!?!
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adad

6 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  19:42:57  Show Profile
you guys are all in denial-rolling these bats, specifically the one you guys are talking about gives the bat a trampoline effect- i am fairly certain the specific stealth bat is an all composite bat- the rolling releases the composite fibers and adjusts the performance of the bat....you can continue to take the issue lightly, but just hope your son is not pitching to someone using a bat that has been altered and gets a come backer
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mbdale

28 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  20:08:48  Show Profile
You're missing my point, Spartan. While I disagree with the bat in question, my point is that I know that the manufacturers took back merchandise from stores that had the bats without stamps, stamped them and then sent them back to sell. That's what the issue is - some bats out there don't meet the standard set by USSSA as they are older models. Wish you could post a photo of your 2008 bat with at 1.15 stamp on it as I have serious doubts as to whether they have it. It wasn't until July of 2011 that any small barrel bat had a USSSA stamp available and the USSSA 1.15 stamp requirement didn't go into effect until January 1, 2012.

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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  22:53:01  Show Profile
Not trying to be totally difficult but you are missing the point, the 1.15 standard has been there for some time, it is only now talked about because it is a new selling point. The old stock was stamped because they met the 1.15BPF standard. Also, how could this bat you don't agree with(purchased prior to July 2011) have the "old" stamp?? I believe there is a lot of confusion here. If you would private message me I can send you a picture of the bat. The link from Easton doesn't talk about the 1.15 but the info page advertising the bat does talk about the 1.15 standard. The model bat is the model yb81c.

This is the 2008 model it is a -12 it very clearly has the USSSA 1.15BPF stamp. The link is from the same year bat but a -10, they also meet the 1.15BPF way back in 2008.


http://www.slugger.com/press/catalyst_baseball_2008.html
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/louisville-slugger-tpx-catalyst-yb82c-136865035

Edited by - Spartan4 on 06/26/2012 23:03:18
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gatorboy1

56 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  00:52:00  Show Profile
Again, the USSSA stamp has not changed any of the manufacturing process of a 2012 bat compared to a bat made in 2010. I've spone to many dealers and a few factory reps and they all said the same thing. If it did, you would see a much more noticeable difference with the way new bats hit. If you look at any of the composite bats out there like the CF5 and others, they are very popular and hit very well.

In response to the real bat remark, one of my other kids played little league and they require a 2 1/4 in dia bat like the ones you call softball. The difference between a big barrel and small barrel is a little more then 1/4" so does that really make a difference in performance? If anything, it's harder to square the ball up wouldn't it?

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Originally posted by mbdale

You're missing my point, Spartan. While I disagree with the bat in question, my point is that I know that the manufacturers took back merchandise from stores that had the bats without stamps, stamped them and then sent them back to sell. That's what the issue is - some bats out there don't meet the standard set by USSSA as they are older models. Wish you could post a photo of your 2008 bat with at 1.15 stamp on it as I have serious doubts as to whether they have it. It wasn't until July of 2011 that any small barrel bat had a USSSA stamp available and the USSSA 1.15 stamp requirement didn't go into effect until January 1, 2012.



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ecbpappi

244 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  01:02:42  Show Profile
everybody likes to accuse players of using modified bats and I agree that if someone has one that they should be punished for it because it's wrong but everytime some average sized kid hits a ball a long way it seems the bat he's using must be juiced.

How many actual cases have we heard of where these bats were found to be modified??

quote:
Originally posted by adad

eastcobbkreskin-
i am not questioning any one bat, only stating that i know certain folks are and will continue to do whatever they can to gain an advantage for little johnny-major leaguers juice themselves, little leaguers juice bats-in the case of bats it may be rolling, shaving or whatever....what i do know is that like everything else in life its not a problem until its a problem-: a child getting killed or severely injured...there need to be consequences for altering of bats...the reality is it aint gonna happen


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JABA

16 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  07:15:15  Show Profile
Just for the record, my 12 year old has been using a drop 5 since he was 11 and currently swings a BBCOR and wood bat in practice consistently. I personally think kids at this age should be swinging a drop 5. However, if a kid wants to swing a LEGAL lighter bat or a small barrel bat, such as the Stealth XL, I am not going to jump up and down and call him spoiled and a cheater. I am not talking about someone intentionally cheating, everyone would agree that is wrong and that unfortunately it does happen. I do think the ball comes off the Stealth in question much hotter than some other bats, just like it did off the B1. The B1 does not have the old USSSA approved wording on it, the Stealth does have it. Again, don't blame the kids or the parents, blame the organizations that allow this. Why did the senior league bats have to have the new stamp this year, and the small barrel bats don't have to have it until 2014? That makes no sense, but that is the rule. There are tons of old bats out there that meet the 1.15 standard, and bat companies were allowed (by USSSA)to stamp those bats with the new USSSA stamp as long as the bat was new in the wrapper. This was just changed in the last month or so, but it was a legal practice for the last year. Easton has a list of those bats that meet the standard and could have been stamped until recently, I actually called them a couple of months ago and they confirmed they would give you a return number, stamp the bat and send it back - because it meets the standard. Here's that list, some of the bats are 10 years old. http://blogs.eastonbaseball.com/batrules/

If my "little Johnny" NEEDS a new bat, which he did by the way BECAUSE of the new stamp rule, I'm going to try to find the best legal bat for him and his swing. Pretty sure you can build character through playing the game the right way - respect, hustle, attitude, etc. Just my opinion though...........
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  09:04:41  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by JABA
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If my "little Johnny" NEEDS a new bat, which he did by the way BECAUSE of the new stamp rule, I'm going to try to find the best legal bat for him and his swing. Pretty sure you can build character through playing the game the right way - respect, hustle, attitude, etc. Just my opinion though...........



If you don't do it like the majority you are wrong apparently......

And Pappi, we wouldn't know if there were any altered bats because they are never protested.....people just get on here and accuse people of "juicing" bats....
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bball2000

39 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  10:13:35  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by adad

you guys are all in denial-rolling these bats, specifically the one you guys are talking about gives the bat a trampoline effect- i am fairly certain the specific stealth bat is an all composite bat- the rolling releases the composite fibers and adjusts the performance of the bat....you can continue to take the issue lightly, but just hope your son is not pitching to someone using a bat that has been altered and gets a come backer

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bball2000

39 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  10:22:04  Show Profile
It's sad it takes a kid getting hurt to wake people up. The lawyers will have a field day with this. Coaches and parents get ready, if you are part of using illegal bats you will be held liable. Not only can the manufacturer be sued, you will be held accountable also. What do you want to teach your child? I want mine to be honest and play hard to win. You gain nothing by cheating. If you teach your child to cheat in the game then he will cheat in school and it will never end. What character will he have as an adult? Think about it.
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2012 :  10:39:45  Show Profile
Who is cheating?!? The bat being questioned is perfectly legal.....
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