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youthbaseball
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 Posted - 04/16/2010 : 01:00:16
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Originally posted by lottapop
IMO....and we all know what that is worth...LOL, no need to play up. "Any" 12u team can get all the competition they can handle in this age bracket. The Astro Invitational will be hosting some fantastic teams in 2 weeks so there is no need to travel 10hrs away to play when you can play in your own back yard. RR still needs a team to add to their tournament next weekend, the Jags, braves and seminoles will be there. I would like to see Sharon Springs or the Astros join in to make it a very nice tournament to prepare these teams for the Astros tournament at the end of the month. Georgia baseball should be represented very well.
lottapop-I have been holding back but thought I would throw in a few thoughts and comments of my own into this party just for some of my buddies that post from other teams and to once again get things going. In case you have not noticed, there is a lot of talent coming here to play in the Astro's invitational. Traveling 10 + hours. Why? The same reason the Astros went to Florida last weekend. To play great teams and be in a competitive tournament. No disrespect to those that played in GA last weekend but you can't get better than playing MBA Pride, Team Clap Bat, Tampa Crush and Orange County Outlaws. Most of who have qualified for the Elite 32 already. Some of you who talk on this blog will face them in the Astro's tournament.
The Astros have not proclaimed themselves the kings, champions or anything else to this point. They are just playing GREAT baseball for a 12u team at this point in the season. What is wrong with that? Should we continually bash a team that is made up of kids who 5 months ago people were poking fun at in their own ways(you know who I am talking too)HAHA. Elite-Not Elite, Good Coach-Bad Coach, 24 kids-16 kids----who cares, the then 14 and now 12 kids are having fun and winning.
Yes, I have a dog in this hunt and he is on the Astros team.
We have no coaching problems, no parent problems, and the kids are all having a blast. Any team that wins 5 of 6 12u tournaments would.
Does anyone question why the 13u Astros are playing 14u tournamnets. No, because people at 13 assume they are trying to get better.
Please remember that most of our kids read these post and take great offense at getting called out for parental views and not real stats.
This afterall is still just 12u baseball.
We had a blast with the Jags last weekend and were hoping for nothing more than a GA vs. Ga Championship game. it did not happen but the Astro's did win the tournament.
Congrats Astro's and please keep getting better.
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youthbaseball
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 01:05:20
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Originally posted by LeftyBat
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Originally posted by funnyhop
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Originally posted by ItsjustLLBBall
The twelve year old board would be very much alive if all the 12u teams played the full 12u schedule and didn't crown themselves kings of the age group since they came out of the shoot admittingly blazing. Sure, going to play in other states and up levels is great experience for the kids and that is understood, but not playing the teams in your state at your level when they get into seasonal form just isn't right, to me that is avoiding great competition until it's proven otherwise. The 11u Bandits did it right, came out and tested themselves at the higher level and then went back to their age bracket, not win early tournaments and then abandon their age group as self proclaimed champions...Everyone in sports knows it's not how you start, but it's how you finish, those teams really aren't fooling anyone.
What great competition? The Astros have proven that they are head and shoulders above the rest of the GA teams. They have won 5 out of 6 tournaments. Are going to the Elite 32 because they earned a spot.
Who can blame them? Play up to get better. Play in Florida to get better. No other team in GA is even remotely at their level yet and no one has proven otherwise. Once a team wins 5 tournaments locally, then they may have a point........so far, no one is even close.
Good luck 12U 'stros this weekend in the TC 13U division.
What's funny is how about 5 months ago there was a serious discussion about whether the Astro's were a select team that got it's pick of the East Cobb environment representative of the Astro's tradition or whether they were just another quality East Cobb team.
LeftyBat-could not agree more. I think the question has been answered. The Astro's are playing great ball and are only trying to get better. |
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youthbaseball
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 01:08:31
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Originally posted by ItsjustLLBBall
The twelve year old board would be very much alive if all the 12u teams played the full 12u schedule and didn't crown themselves kings of the age group since they came out of the shoot admittingly blazing. Sure, going to play in other states and up levels is great experience for the kids and that is understood, but not playing the teams in your state at your level when they get into seasonal form just isn't right, to me that is avoiding great competition until it's proven otherwise. The 11u Bandits did it right, came out and tested themselves at the higher level and then went back to their age bracket, not win early tournaments and then abandon their age group as self proclaimed champions...Everyone in sports knows it's not how you start, but it's how you finish, those teams really aren't fooling anyone. Our kids want to play vs the best our state has to offer week in and week out, that is all they are asking for. Would make for an interesting remaining 2/3rds of the season.
Thanks Smoke, it seems as if we are starting to pick it up a bit after a rather slow start for the RoadRunners standards..
Scott Ryder 12U RoadRunners
Scott, what have the Astros done but win? Come on my friend---give credit where credit is do. We will face you guys again, 2 to 3 times at least. |
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ItsjustLLBBall
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 13:06:36
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| Just going with history. I have given credit where credit is due. I have actually recommended the coach to people. I have not posted that we would beat the astros if we would play them on a regular basis and I have not called out any kids on any teams. The astros definitely came out of the shoot blazin, I stated that already. Just would like there to be the friendly rivalry all summer long and there isn't going to be. We have two tournaments remaining that you have been invited to both and have rejected both due to whatever reason you want to use. So we won't have the 30 teams that are going to be at yours, but the competition would be good all weekend long and the same teams get to play each other a couple times. Not exactly sure why you wouldn't come to our tournament when we are coming to yours. You can have any dugout you want,hahaha, the kids just want the competition. We don't need to play up or go out of state state to play good teams, there is enough talent around Ga. We will be going out of state to play at the end of the year....Good luck vs the 13's this weekend....Hope to see you all soon... |
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getusome3ecb
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 20:18:57
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| "Its our field"..."we will shut it down"...i think since the tournaments at east cobb all ecb teams should get there games at east cobb. But wait a minute thats not how it works.You play the teams you draw... Looking forward to a great Sunday in baseball |
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Mike Corbin
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 23:31:51
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Triple Crown asked us about using our field, not the other way around. Sorry that we don't have 10 teams playing in the same age bracket, or a full time staff to take care of things when we leave. If we had to go to another field we would "shut it down" so we could go watch our kids play ball. Sorry if that bothers anyone! Now lets play some ball!!!!
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ecbstix
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Posted - 04/18/2010 : 15:25:14
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I can see this being possibly a problem for Triple Crown in the future. Especially if the RR's win the tourney. Remember, they did the same thing last year when they won the Triple Crown State. It is an unfair advantage for them to play all of their games at home. If they can't play by the same rules as everyone else then Triple Crown needs to find another field to play on, or possibly in the future there won't be a need for a second field. What would happen if East Cobb made the same demands? Rumor is the RR's don't have to pay gate fees at their park, how much money would Triple Crown lose if East Cobb had the same deal? I think I deserve a refund! If the park is not capable of running itself then it should not be used in the tourney!
Stephen Barday
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sccapcity
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Posted - 04/18/2010 : 18:14:08
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Mike it was good to see you this morning. You guys played well and look to be in mid-season form. Look forward to matching up again later in the year. Thanks for donating your place to the tournament. I probably speak for most in saying its always a treat to play at RR Field. That said I probably also speak for most in saying that there are larger tournaments run consistently throughout the year without teams having a built-in home field advantage. Further its patently unfair to change a bracket, in order to accommodate one teams needs, particularly after the bracket has been posted online. What if the RR's were the 5th seed. Would the entire schedule have been reworked. The final and accurate seeding was posted immediately after the last pool game, removed an hour or so later and not re posted for several more hours swapping out the 1 and 2 seeds. I'm with you....let's play ball....but how about we all play by the same set of rules.
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ecbstix
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Posted - 04/18/2010 : 19:56:54
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| Congratulations to the East Cobb Braves for winning the Triple Crown tournament this weekend! Good job guys! " Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore"! |
Edited by - ecbstix on 04/18/2010 21:08:42 |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 04/18/2010 : 21:32:35
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| Mike, Thanks for letting us use your field in this tourney!! ecbstix-you didn't even play in this tourney with the 12 u's so what does it matter to you??. We always love playing at RR field and think it is great that you can have tournaments and not charge a fee!!! Thanks from an ECB family :) |
Edited by - knucklecurve on 04/19/2010 09:18:13 |
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AA17Dad
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 09:08:54
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I can see both sides of this arguement. I'm glad the RR's allowed the use of their field. The schedules were pretty tuff for " some " uf us....5:45PM Thursday games...8Am Sat. games and narrowly missed having to come back and play an 8PM Sat. game and then return and try to compete on Sunday. I'm thinking that without the use of RR's Field that more teams would have had similar shedules as ours and worse. I also understand that RR Field is a private facility not just a baseball field. Homes, buildings equipment. ect. No way would I have left it to whoever was there to opperate the equipment and keep the field playable. The property is maticulously mantain.
I do however think that the better move would have been to change the fields instead of the seeding placement.
For example. What if the jags won their 2nd game and useing the rules kept the run diff at a place that would have allowed them to be in the bracket that gave them the best chance to get to the Championship Game ? Only to find out that the brackets got changed.....I would say that theywould have had a legitimate issue with the change.
All in All....great weekend of baseball in Ga. Lots of good games, and a few surprises as always.
Well Done ECB Braves!
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sccapcity
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 10:00:55
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I have a lot of respect for what the RR program provides for youth baseball; their generosity should truly be applauded. With that in mind I want to clarify what was meant in the reference to "by the rules". This relates to no other team having the option to modify their seeding and opponent. Hopefully there is no debate about that? I completely agree with AA17's suggestion on how to handle the situation in the future and for what its worth that solution was proposed Sat afternoon. That would seem to protect the integrity of the bracket.
Good luck to all as we approach the half way point in the season. |
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ItsjustLLBBall
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 10:23:45
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| It was very simple. The bracket should not have been posted with seeds and fields until the seeds were set. Very simple and suggested prior to the debacle. We were asked to use our field and expressed concern this might happen and it did. |
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ecbstix
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 10:47:29
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Mike, Thanks for letting us use your field in this tourney!! ecbstix-you didn't even play in this tourney with the 12 u's so what does it matter to you??. We always love playing at RR field and think it is great that you can have tournaments and not charge a fee!!! Thanks from an ECB family :)
You are correct. We didn't play 12's and it really doesn't matter to me. I was merely voicing some of the concerns I heard at the tournament this weekend. I really enjoy playing Triple Crown and would hate to see something like this start making teams think of playing elsewhere. I have a ton of respect for the tounament director and just wanted to make him aware so as this doesn't become an issue in the future when teams are trying to decide which tourney to play. Didn't mean to offend you Knucklecurve...oh yeah if you are an ECB family, why does it matter to you? |
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getusome3ecb
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 11:45:23
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| Without the change in brackets...we would of had a different championship game... The Jaguars and Whitesox have a reason to be upset, after losing in the comfort zone |
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funnyhop
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 11:56:15
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Originally posted by knucklecurve
Mike, Thanks for letting us use your field in this tourney!! ecbstix-you didn't even play in this tourney with the 12 u's so what does it matter to you??. We always love playing at RR field and think it is great that you can have tournaments and not charge a fee!!! Thanks from an ECB family :)
Wait a minute. NOT CHARGED A FEE AT ROADRUNNER FIELD? I have heard of quite a few folks who were charged a fee. Perhaps they just missed you or you just missed them? Please tell me this was not selective. Certainly, they charged every team the same?
The bracket changing stuff is suspect. However, in order to win the big game, both teams had to play at ECB #4 anyway. The best team in the tournament won fair and square...........Congrats Braves!! |
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ItsjustLLBBall
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 12:30:03
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| Actually we could have charged people that came from ec to our field and we chose not to make them pay twice. So if that was causing confusion as to whether we collected a gate, hope that clears it up for all of you.... |
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Goin Deep
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 12:30:21
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| Everyone was charged ar RR field. I think what Knuckle-curve meant was that when the RRs have an event, there is no gate fee. Since Triple Crown was using there field, for a TC event, there was a gate fee. The RRs didnt keep the money. |
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funnyhop
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 13:20:48
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Everyone was charged ar RR field. I think what Knuckle-curve meant was that when the RRs have an event, there is no gate fee. Since Triple Crown was using there field, for a TC event, there was a gate fee. The RRs didnt keep the money.
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 13:42:31
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| Come on guys......we were all charged at RR field in this tourney!! Let me clear this up right now, I meant when the RR's hosted their tournaments they do not charge every day like we do at ECB. ecbstix- I am not offend at all and it matters to me because I respect the RR program and happen to like the coaches. I know them well enough to know that they would not do anything to better their chances of winning. They don't need to, they have a very talented team that has proven for years that the can beat the best! Maybe Triple Crown should find a field that is not privately owned next year so that people will stop pointing their fingers at a guy that was just trying to loan his field and let their parents watch them play while running it at their field. I for one really enjoyed the tournament and thought it was run great. The umpires were great too! :) |
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youthbaseball
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 19:06:05
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Originally posted by knucklecurve
Come on guys......we were all charged at RR field in this tourney!! Let me clear this up right now, I meant when the RR's hosted their tournaments they do not charge every day like we do at ECB. ecbstix- I am not offend at all and it matters to me because I respect the RR program and happen to like the coaches. I know them well enough to know that they would not do anything to better their chances of winning. They don't need to, they have a very talented team that has proven for years that the can beat the best! Maybe Triple Crown should find a field that is not privately owned next year so that people will stop pointing their fingers at a guy that was just trying to loan his field and let their parents watch them play while running it at their field. I for one really enjoyed the tournament and thought it was run great. The umpires were great too! :)
knucklecurve- I agree with a few points. Ernie was nice to let TC crown use their field. We all have respect for the RR program. Just look at their wall of fame. There were people who were hoping from field to field and should not have been charged an additional gate fee. The umpires were Triple Crown umpires and not the RR's umpires and from what I hear were great.
Disagreement-you cant change brackets before, during, or after a tournament...I dont care whose fields the tournament is using. If EC changed brackets to accomodate the Braves, Seminoles, or anyone else people would raise absolute hell.If was for the Astros, people would lose their minds.
Every team is trying to get better and play the best baseball possible. Lets just leave it up the coaches to make decisions on what tourneys they play in and all stop complaining about other teams.
Congrats Braves and lets see what happens next weekend when some competition from the rest of the SE shows up.
The Jags just signed up, and two more teams signed up today. The more teams the better.
The Astros invitational will not afford a team to not try and win the pool play games. It is being set up the same as the Elite 32.
Astros, Astros and Longhorn Dad
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AA17Dad
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Posted - 04/21/2010 : 08:44:54
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| Does anyone know if all of the games for the Astros Invitational will be played at East Cobb? |
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ItsjustLLBBall
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Posted - 04/21/2010 : 17:12:02
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Does anyone know if all of the games for the Astros Invitational will be played at East Cobb?
We were just contacted to host some of the tournament at RoadRunner but we said we would only do it if we were the #1 seed and played the championship there...hahahaha....It's 9 12 year olds vs 9 12 year olds, do you really think there is a home field advantage...hahaahh..RoadRunners will play anyone anywhere, not saying we are the better team, just that we would except any challenge from anyone and would NEVER use the umpires or homefield advantage as an excuse...now would all other teamss??? Line-up for this weekends RoadRunner Invitational #2 Jaguars Braves Elite Gamers Blue EC Seminoles and the RoadRunners...does that answer your question? |
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sirlurker
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Posted - 04/21/2010 : 17:16:58
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| All the 12U games will be at East Cobb....The 13U games will use one East Cobb field and Mt Bethel.... |
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ecbstix
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Posted - 04/21/2010 : 19:20:01
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Originally posted by AA17Dad
Does anyone know if all of the games for the Astros Invitational will be played at East Cobb?
We were just contacted to host some of the tournament at RoadRunner but we said we would only do it if we were the #1 seed and played the championship there...hahahaha....It's 9 12 year olds vs 9 12 year olds, do you really think there is a home field advantage...hahaahh..RoadRunners will play anyone anywhere, not saying we are the better team, just that we would except any challenge from anyone and would NEVER use the umpires or homefield advantage as an excuse...now would all other teamss??? Line-up for this weekends RoadRunner Invitational #2 Jaguars Braves Elite Gamers Blue EC Seminoles and the RoadRunners...does that answer your question?
Lay off the "H" and the "A" buttons! Little bit of overkill. Even more so when you can't spell haha. |
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