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greenmonsta
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 Posted - 05/29/2018 : 09:52:29
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Ok, here’s is the scenario-
Bases loaded 1 out. Batter hits a line drive to left field. The left fielder appears to make the catch and is transferring the ball to try and double off the runner at third. He drops the ball and the field umpire rules that it was never a catch. The runner on third had been heading back to third, he tags up(not that he needs to now based on the call) and scores.
The batter went into the dugout because he thought it was a catch. The runners that were on first and 2nd remain on their respective bags. What is the correct ruling for score, number of outs, and runner positions?
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Gatravelbaseball
56 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2018 : 11:51:22
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Don't have enough info!
Did the defense get the ball to first base and/or second base and/or third base to get two force outs before the batter/runners got there? If so, no run scores and the inning is over. |
Edited by - Gatravelbaseball on 05/29/2018 14:34:59 |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2018 : 13:37:09
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| I would say run scores, the batter is out (out of the baseline), the other runners should be out (well, at least one of them, which makes 3 outs) because if the ball was ruled "no catch", then they would have been forced to run. |
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greenmonsta
16 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2018 : 16:04:24
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Defense got the ball to any base as they were confused. Here is what I got from another forum.
Once the batter-runner, goes into the dugout he’s out for abandonment. This removes the force on the other runners. So it’s 2 outs, and runners are placed wherever they ended up. |
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Vandy
36 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2018 : 16:30:45
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| In order... Batter gets an rbi and is out, runs scores. LF gets E7. Since the batter left the field and was legally out prior to reaching first, there is no longer a force in play. All runners safe unless tagged out. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2018 : 09:38:03
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If that is the rule, it makes no sense.
So, if there is a runner on first and the hitter hits a ground ball to an infielder and it is for sure going to be a double play, then the hitter should (per this rule) just go sit down in the dugout and it would only be one out instead of two.
I would love to see that scenario play out, the opposing coach would come unglued. |
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bama21
278 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2018 : 10:29:37
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| Also, how can the batter get an RBI when an error is charged to the fielder. |
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bballman
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Posted - 05/30/2018 : 10:40:48
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Originally posted by Vandy
In order... Batter gets an rbi and is out, runs scores. LF gets E7. Since the batter left the field and was legally out prior to reaching first, there is no longer a force in play. All runners safe unless tagged out.
Batter does not get an RBI when there is an error on the play. |
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Vandy
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Posted - 05/30/2018 : 12:57:04
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"Batter does not get an RBI when there is an error on the play."
"Man on third with one out when a fly ball is hit to left field. The left fielder drops the ball and the runner on third scores. How to you score the play?"
If the official scorer thinks that the runner would have scored on a sacrifice fly if the ball had been caught then this would be a sacrifice fly with an error on the left fielder that allowed the batter to reach first (SF7 and E7). Rule 10.08(d)(2)
As addressed within Rule 9.02(a)(1) of the Official Baseball Rules a sacrifice fly is not counted as a time at bat for the batter, though the batter is credited with a run batted in.
As far as the batter / runner, he is out for desertion rule 7.0,xx
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Gatravelbaseball
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Posted - 05/30/2018 : 13:27:05
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Originally posted by bballman
quote:
Originally posted by Vandy
In order... Batter gets an rbi and is out, runs scores. LF gets E7. Since the batter left the field and was legally out prior to reaching first, there is no longer a force in play. All runners safe unless tagged out.
Batter does not get an RBI when there is an error on the play.
It is possible for a batter to get an RBI when there is an error on the play, but only if the run would have likely scored even if the error had not been made. In this case, it seems doubtful the batter should get an RBI. And since he somehow managed to get all the way into the dang dugout before realizing the ump didn't call him out, I wouldn't give him one either way!
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2018 : 14:35:05
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Originally posted by Vandy
"Batter does not get an RBI when there is an error on the play."
"Man on third with one out when a fly ball is hit to left field. The left fielder drops the ball and the runner on third scores. How to you score the play?"
If the official scorer thinks that the runner would have scored on a sacrifice fly if the ball had been caught then this would be a sacrifice fly with an error on the left fielder that allowed the batter to reach first (SF7 and E7). Rule 10.08(d)(2)
As addressed within Rule 9.02(a)(1) of the Official Baseball Rules a sacrifice fly is not counted as a time at bat for the batter, though the batter is credited with a run batted in.
As far as the batter / runner, he is out for desertion rule 7.0,xx
I stand corrected... |
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baseballready
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Posted - 05/31/2018 : 09:18:33
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Not clear that runner would have scored as "batter hits a line drive to left field....The runner on third had been heading back to third..."
I'm not going to score Sac Fly on a rope to LF that may have gotten the baserunner doubled up. |
Edited by - baseballready on 05/31/2018 09:29:58 |
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Correct ruling to strange scenario
