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tater77bug
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 Posted - 02/03/2009 : 13:01:44
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| Well since we have talked about "team jumpers", how about coaches recruiting your players? How do you guys address this if it comes to your attention before the player/parenst "jump"? And this is an in season question!!! I lost a few kids a couple of years ago because they were told they would pay for nothing!! But they also got cut when the next best thing came around. Thoughts and opinions?? |
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tae281
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 16:36:57
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Recruiting should only take place after the season or just before its about to end, it puts that team in a tough spot if 2-3 kids leave because of being recruited by another coach in the middle of a season. That coach has no other option but to recruit kids off of another team to replace those players and it's a never ending cycle. A certain coach recruited a couple of my player during a scrimmage game, low class to invite me to a scrimmage game and then recruit my players.
The other issue in this is the cutting of players during the season if they can pick up a better kid, I don't agree with this and will not cut a kid during the season unless it's a behavioral issue. There has been plenty of talk regarding "team jumpers" but to me coaches cutting kids in the middle of the season is just as bad. |
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greglomax
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 17:20:53
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We have always joked that "Free agent season" started around June 1st, for the following season.
I think there is a big difference between recruiting players at the end of the season, for next year, and poaching players in the middle of the season. |
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zbake
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 18:07:06
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| It is sad to say the least. If a coach has to stoop to that level then that should be a bit of a red flag to the parents. Yes you could say every man for himself. But lets have a bit dignity and respect. I actually had a coach show up at my tryout and try and recruit a player or two. Recruit on your own time. You can "justify" any action but in my own opinion its not right. |
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daltontigers
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 22:45:24
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Maybe they didnt like the coach tater! haha just kidding! I have always just made contact during the season and told the parents that when they get done with the team they are on that I would like for them to play in a tournament with us in late July. Usually once they play with our boys they end up bonding, but that also depends on the type of kid he is. I am sure it is more cut throat in the Atlanta area since they have teams all over Atl.  |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:26:33
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I like what your saying about cutting kids...quote:
Originally posted by tae281
Recruiting should only take place after the season or just before its about to end, it puts that team in a tough spot if 2-3 kids leave because of being recruited by another coach in the middle of a season. That coach has no other option but to recruit kids off of another team to replace those players and it's a never ending cycle. A certain coach recruited a couple of my player during a scrimmage game, low class to invite me to a scrimmage game and then recruit my players.
The other issue in this is the cutting of players during the season if they can pick up a better kid, I don't agree with this and will not cut a kid during the season unless it's a behavioral issue. There has been plenty of talk regarding "team jumpers" but to me coaches cutting kids in the middle of the season is just as bad.
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coachz
38 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 14:46:38
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| If your coach is good enough, the players WON'T leave him! |
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homerunking
110 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 08:44:38
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| Well that is what happened to the 10u Georgia Sluggers. A coach talked some kids parents into comming to play with them on his team..The Sluggers coach gave the money back to the players that were staying and played one more tournament and ended the season after that..And this was a MAJOR team that did this..Had like 15 kids on the team at one point... |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 10:21:33
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You are wrong...what is good enuff? As I said I have had kids/parents leave because another team would pay their way...does that make me less of a coach? I have seen kids leave because they were lied to by recruiting coaches and parents...does that mean a coach can't coach or not GOOD enuff? Every team does not have the same resources for money, fields, equipment, and facilities...I understand that...but does that mean the coach is not good enuff? Let's not let EGOS get too big coachz quote:
Originally posted by coachz
If your coach is good enough, the players WON'T leave him!
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coachz
38 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 11:10:17
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[quote]Originally posted by tater77bug
You are wrong...what is good enuff? As I said I have had kids/parents leave because another team would pay their way...does that make me less of a coach? I have seen kids leave because they were lied to by recruiting coaches and parents...does that mean a coach can't coach or not GOOD enuff? Every team does not have the same resources for money, fields, equipment, and facilities...I understand that...but does that mean the coach is not good enuff? Let's not let EGOS get too big coachz [quote]Originally posted by coachz
If your coach is good enough, the players WON'T leave him!
What is good enough? Good enough is winning!!!! Nobody leaves a good, winning, well coached team on their own. How many kids are jumping ship from the Astros? How many are trying to get away from that Bandits team because they got a better offer? NONE!!!! There is no better offer!
If your coach was good enough, or wins enough the players WON'T leave.
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coachdan06
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 12:23:34
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Originally posted by coachz
If your coach is good enough, the players WON'T leave him!
Not necessarily true depending on how you define "good enough"
Nephews were on same team over the past recnet years. Very good coach knew the game solid , a decent man off the field on the field.
The teams were competitive and largely overachieved for talent level.
But once their years ended most of the kids ran off to other teams that promised more or in most cases where the parents thought they could have more influence over the boys status on the field ,that was easy to see .
Way it turned out best I can tell is all of the kids ended up in worse situations , the grass was not greener over there. Acouple of them, dont even play ball anymore and none Ive seen are better players for running to the other teams .
Maybe they would be if mom and dad had kept them where they were and give them some consistency with the same coach who WAS good - but not "good enough" 
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oldcoach
27 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 12:32:21
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| Coachz,i think you ruffled the skin on tater,i agree with you. |
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homerunking
110 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 13:52:36
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| Tater for all those Good Coaches that win, not all are good coaches because the WIN...some just are able to get the talent to come play for them..But as we see with all teams there is usually some turn over EVERY year. There may be a few teams that have TRULEY good coaches that care about the players he coaches, and would rather see them get better than bring in the next best thing to win... There is more to coaching that winning, and just because you are winning doen't mean you are a good coach. These are kids we are caoching, some teenagers, young men, and most coaches only care about winning at ANY cost. Don't think that makes for the best COACH, maybe the best Winning coach......LOL well Tater I can say the BANDITS coach cares about his kids, he may be one of the few that has had the same team since they were 6 yrs old...You are going to have some kids come and go but a GOOD coach is hard to find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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SportsDad
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 15:05:21
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Nobody leaves a good, winning, well coached team on their own. How many kids are jumping ship from the Astros
Not true...I personally know 3 kids that left a 71-3 11U team because they didn't agree with the way it was being run...oh and it wasn't about playing time..all three were starters.. |
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mrbama31
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 22:15:09
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| This may sound corny but I believe its about relationships....don't get me wrong a large part of the realationship lies with the coach. Say what you mean and do what you say...If you are trying to build a national power at whatever cost then you better tell your parents that on the front end and stick to the plan...if that is not your goal that is ok too just stick to what ever you sold the parents on the front end. The better the coach is at communicating his plan and staying on track with his plan then I believe people will respond positively for the most part. Yes a player/family may leave but this is life. As for recruiting players in season...no it not the coolest thing to be doing but this post or anything else is not going to stop it so you better build good strong relationships with your parents. |
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coachz
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 09:24:27
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| Sportsdad, if he was not running things right, he wasn't a good coach. Running things right is part of being a good coach! |
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zbake
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 09:45:33
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| I think the topic has gone in a different direction. I thought the original topic was about coaches recruiting your players during the season, not if a family leaves you. The bottom line is, is it right or ethical, how ever you want to label it. IMO it is not. I am not going to recruit another teams kid. That is me. In a previous post, you can justify all you want but I guarantee you IF another team came and recruited and took away your top player, you would not just say oh they left because you were not a good enough coach. Going back to the original aspect of the topic, Should coaches be recruiting other teams players during the season or even right now. |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2009 : 09:47:18
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Again you are wrong....Astros lose kids...do they have the same SS in 12u as they did in 11u...Nope....Chiefs lose kids....check their roster...Bandits lost kids last year....all have had great success....but all lose kids....they are recruited just like evry other team....
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Originally posted by coachz
[quote]Originally posted by tater77bug
You are wrong...what is good enuff? As I said I have had kids/parents leave because another team would pay their way...does that make me less of a coach? I have seen kids leave because they were lied to by recruiting coaches and parents...does that mean a coach can't coach or not GOOD enuff? Every team does not have the same resources for money, fields, equipment, and facilities...I understand that...but does that mean the coach is not good enuff? Let's not let EGOS get too big coachz [quote]Originally posted by coachz
If your coach is good enough, the players WON'T leave him!
What is good enough? Good enough is winning!!!! Nobody leaves a good, winning, well coached team on their own. How many kids are jumping ship from the Astros? How many are trying to get away from that Bandits team because they got a better offer? NONE!!!! There is no better offer!
If your coach was good enough, or wins enough the players WON'T leave.
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2009 : 09:51:00
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Very well said....I hear you....I agree 100%...BTW the Bandits did pick up kids last year....and their coach is an outstanding guy...quote:
Originally posted by homerunking
Tater for all those Good Coaches that win, not all are good coaches because the WIN...some just are able to get the talent to come play for them..But as we see with all teams there is usually some turn over EVERY year. There may be a few teams that have TRULEY good coaches that care about the players he coaches, and would rather see them get better than bring in the next best thing to win... There is more to coaching that winning, and just because you are winning doen't mean you are a good coach. These are kids we are caoching, some teenagers, young men, and most coaches only care about winning at ANY cost. Don't think that makes for the best COACH, maybe the best Winning coach......LOL well Tater I can say the BANDITS coach cares about his kids, he may be one of the few that has had the same team since they were 6 yrs old...You are going to have some kids come and go but a GOOD coach is hard to find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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coachz
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 12:57:05
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| Tater, I am talking about 10u! The Bandits did NOT loose a kid!!!!!!! The Astros changed 1. I'm saying if you offered these kids a free ride on another team they wouldn't leave. The good teams & coaches don't loose kids, they replace kids. |
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homerunking
110 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2009 : 19:44:38
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| Tater The Bandits has had the same team since they were 6 and like coachz says they replace them not lose them... |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2009 : 15:15:24
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| Replacing kids at 10U? Why? They are not good enuff? Or they don't live up to the standards of the team? Or do they get a better deal? And I am not saying that "winning" is a better deal. But look I hear what you are trying to say. But saying a coach is "good enuff" may be the silliest thing I have ever heard. These are children and most nor any will play professionally. I know the coaches of the 10u Bandits and they are very good coaches for sure but let's not make this about how great their coaches are...come on!! |
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2009 : 15:27:49
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Okay HRking..they have the same team since they were six??? But they replace them???Then that is not the same team??? Plus I know they have replaced kids...I know who they are and where they came from...so to same they are the same team is not accurate....totally...they have great coaches...but they are not and will not be immune to the rigors of recruiting and time...GREAT TOPIC guys!!!! quote:
Originally posted by homerunking
Tater The Bandits has had the same team since they were 6 and like coachz says they replace them not lose them...
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tater77bug
133 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2009 : 15:31:32
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"Replace them not lose them" you guys crack me up!!!I love it but you crck me up!!!Why did you replace them??? They moved on or did they get moved on by the coaches??? Very funny... quote:
Originally posted by homerunking
Tater The Bandits has had the same team since they were 6 and like coachz says they replace them not lose them...
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homerunking
110 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2009 : 09:24:13
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| Tater if you knew anything about the area you would also know that the Bandits are the ONLY team for that age in that area...They bring in the best and can go get the best..What I ment was that the core group of kids are still there...They only played with 9 kids last year until the GA. Sluggers broke up and they brought in a kids that had been playing 10u that was a 9u player. In this area you don't have 3 or 4 GOOD teams so teams like the Bandits, Battlefield Red Sox, and the Chattanooga Colonels don't have to compete with other teams for players. In that area Travel Ball is not as popular yet. So thats why I say they replace them not lose them. There aren't may other options for the kids to go to, as far as other GOOD teams in travel ball..Anyways lol its all good...Glad we cracked you up... |
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baseball21
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 18:05:06
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Players leave teams for a multitude of reasons.Very few players leave the Astros, Bandits and other elite teams because they want to.The 11u Astro team, sports dad is referring to was an incredibly talented team but, the 12u Astros the next year went 78-6. My point is a great deal of the talent stayed.We have played for the Astros for five years, and for the most part 95% of players don't leave because they want to.
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