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BBall123
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 Posted - 02/27/2009 : 06:17:00
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Scorpions - 6 , Ch. Reds - 4
643 - 14 , holly sprngs - 5
Wills prk - 10 , EC Luck - 0
Anyone see these games? can you give us a run down? |
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Peanutsr
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Posted - 02/27/2009 : 12:08:52
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Scorpions scored 5 in the first inning at least half unearned due to errors.
Holly Springs down by one in the bottom of the sixth with men on second and third and one out. Squeezed the man in from third to tie the game. 643 walked next batter to load bases, still one out. Next pitch the catcher made a snap throw to third for an out. Ended up going into extra innings, California rules. When 643 scored five we left. |
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Shut Out
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Posted - 02/27/2009 : 16:16:52
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| That snap through was beautiful. That catchers head for the game appeared wise beyond his years. |
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borisb85
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Posted - 02/27/2009 : 20:36:14
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| Holly Springs is a very solid baseball team. Both 643 and HS played a flawless game through 5 innings. Holly Springs has 2 legit pitchers that are throwing 55 + with control. #51 for 643 hit a 2 run HR in the top of the 4th to break a 3-3 tie. Every 643 pitcher was throwing hard with control. Scorpions played a good game and should have scored more runs. Scorpions are well coached and play solid defense, so they should be able to hang around with some top tier teams. Didn't see the Wills Park game but I know they can always hit. If 643 pitches and plays defense as they did last night, they will be a very solid club. Anyone that thinks they will walk over Holly Springs is in for a shock as well. Hope this tournament sees more games. |
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stallion
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 17:48:00
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Boris, First of all that game was no where near flawless. Their were not many hits in this game(there probably, maybe five hits in the first five innings, maybe??) and I was at the game with my gun. I clocked every pitcher throwing. There is tremendous amount of hype out there. First of all lets consider your statements. I clocked all of holly springs pitchers. Neither one clocked higher than 52 miles and that was top speed. They were around 50. I was there with a parent on holly springs team and I showed him the gun. Now on 643 pitchers. Four of their pitchers barely hit 50. One kid consistenly hit 52. And to let you know it was not the gun. Their big pitcher constanly hit 58-61. So Boris those statements are very inconsistant with what my gun showed and there was another parent from the 643 team clocking the same numbers. Just stating the facts.
JUST TO FURTHER MAKE MY POINT,I WAS TALKING TO A PARENT AT A RECENT TOURNAMENT. HIS SON WAS PITCHING AND HE SAID MY SON THROWS AROUND 60. SO I CLOCKED HIM. GUESS WHAT? HE WAS THROWING 51. a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HYPE AND HATE OUT THERE.
YOURS IN THE BASEBALL BOND: KEEPING IT REAL!!!!!!!! |
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baseballbrad
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 20:26:52
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| I was there as well since I coach Holly Springs.First of all good pitchers are not measured by radar guns.Thats crazy.Most of our pitchers only throw 50-55 at most so you are correct on the speed.No one from our group hypes pitchers speed as we don't care.We focus more on location and control of off speed stuff.Mainly just getting hitters out.I thought that was the object of the game?I do agree that most people totally hype how fast their kids throw and how far they hit homeruns!I didnt feel any kid in our game on either team was 10 mph faster than anyone else but the gun doesnt lie.6-4-3 did have one pitcher I felt was faster than the anyone else but it didn't seem that big of a difference on the field.Just my opinion.I won't speak for our team but will say the 6-4-3 are a very good team and fundamentally sound.They have a very deep pitching staff and handle themselves as a class act.We all could learn from that.Not sure who you play for but good luck when you face them and when you face us go ahead and set the pitching machine on 50-55mph because that is all we got.I think parents get way too concerned with pitching speed and distance of home runs.All kids develop at different stages physically.We should focus on teaching them fundamentals as this age. |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2009 : 21:00:24
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Originally posted by stallion
Boris, First of all that game was no where near flawless. Their were not many hits in this game(there probably, maybe five hits in the first five innings, maybe??) and I was at the game with my gun. I clocked every pitcher throwing. There is tremendous amount of hype out there. First of all lets consider your statements. I clocked all of holly springs pitchers. Neither one clocked higher than 52 miles and that was top speed. They were around 50. I was there with a parent on holly springs team and I showed him the gun. Now on 643 pitchers. Four of their pitchers barely hit 50. One kid consistenly hit 52. And to let you know it was not the gun. Their big pitcher constanly hit 58-61. So Boris those statements are very inconsistant with what my gun showed and there was another parent from the 643 team clocking the same numbers. Just stating the facts.
JUST TO FURTHER MAKE MY POINT,I WAS TALKING TO A PARENT AT A RECENT TOURNAMENT. HIS SON WAS PITCHING AND HE SAID MY SON THROWS AROUND 60. SO I CLOCKED HIM. GUESS WHAT? HE WAS THROWING 51. a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HYPE AND HATE OUT THERE.
YOURS IN THE BASEBALL BOND: KEEPING IT REAL!!!!!!!!
Gentlemen ; may I inject some Old Guy wisdom?
To get this excited about 10 year olds playing baseball ; 4th and 5th graders? ; is way over the top.
In 3 years or so many of your so called ' studs ' wont be playing the game anymore some for losing interest some for falling behind others many who may not even make a travel team yet !
For your boys sake slow it down have fun watching and let him have fun playing. Its best for everyone !
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longhorn1
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 22:21:42
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| HS has a good squad. Baseball Brad I am sure will do a good job of coaching up his team. Danny has lots of talent and the job he does is beyond reproach. Love to have been there and feel lucky to play against both this season. LOL |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 09:43:53
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| Nice reply and very good advice from the Holly Springs Coach. Since my grandson was 5 the emphasis has always been on fundamentals. He played first base and Papa must have thrown him 5000 balls in the dirt teaching him the correct way to make the play. He now pitches and the focus is always on the mechanics, the balance, and the delivery. If you do these things right the pitch will take care of itself. Holly Springs Coach said it, not me but I do agree that baseball is a lot like real estate in that it's all about location, location, location. Thanks Coach for the good advice. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2009 : 10:17:02
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coachdan06:
Guilty as charged! In fact, I'm probably one the guiltiest (is that a word?) parties of them all. I've racked up 160 posts on this site in a few short months (I post on the GA Select and LBL sites too), and watch more games in my son's age group than some tournament directors.
I started teaching my son the game as soon as he could stand. Then he made all stars, then he made a travel team. The sense of our accomplishment together has strengthened our bond. Baseball just happened to be tool I chose to teach him some of life's lessons.
The Dads/Coaches on this site have helped their sons and their sons teammates rise into the top 5%, beating out the other 95% who were trying their best to beat them. This board celebrates that victory but also exposes the fact that being in the top 5% just won't do for gamers like us and our sons.
We hedge our baseball bets (of our sons quitting before High School) by also supporting other sports and activities. We try to find balance. We see the competitive drive, and practice-makes-perfect lessons learned on the diamond carrying over.
After our boys are done with sports, these life lessons will drive them to beat 95%+ of the rest in whatever they do. They'll know they've done it before, and what it takes to do it again.
I see nothing "over the top" about this generation of winners fostering the next generation of winners. I love the intensity. It's never too early to teach your kid how to compete, and win. Winning in sports has a very high correlation to winning at life. Worked for me.
Our boys enjoy computer games, playing wall ball, splashing in the pool, going to the beach, and other 4th grader stuff. And we all take time out to take it all in and let them be kids. We just don't talk about all that here.
Hope this helps you put our passion into a larger perspective. I hope I don't offend anyone by talking in the collective. Sorry if I did.
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coolbreeze
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 11:14:09
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| I agree with both coachdan06 and baseballbrad let the kids be kids and enjoy the game now.I always tell my son win or lose have FUN and do your best "no pressure". |
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WaltDem
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 13:53:57
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Originally posted by coachdan06
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Originally posted by stallion
Boris, First of all that game was no where near flawless. Their were not many hits in this game(there probably, maybe five hits in the first five innings, maybe??) and I was at the game with my gun. I clocked every pitcher throwing. There is tremendous amount of hype out there. First of all lets consider your statements. I clocked all of holly springs pitchers. Neither one clocked higher than 52 miles and that was top speed. They were around 50. I was there with a parent on holly springs team and I showed him the gun. Now on 643 pitchers. Four of their pitchers barely hit 50. One kid consistenly hit 52. And to let you know it was not the gun. Their big pitcher constanly hit 58-61. So Boris those statements are very inconsistant with what my gun showed and there was another parent from the 643 team clocking the same numbers. Just stating the facts.
JUST TO FURTHER MAKE MY POINT,I WAS TALKING TO A PARENT AT A RECENT TOURNAMENT. HIS SON WAS PITCHING AND HE SAID MY SON THROWS AROUND 60. SO I CLOCKED HIM. GUESS WHAT? HE WAS THROWING 51. a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HYPE AND HATE OUT THERE.
YOURS IN THE BASEBALL BOND: KEEPING IT REAL!!!!!!!!
Gentlemen ; may I inject some Old Guy wisdom?
To get this excited about 10 year olds playing baseball ; 4th and 5th graders? ; is way over the top.
In 3 years or so many of your so called ' studs ' wont be playing the game anymore some for losing interest some for falling behind others many who may not even make a travel team yet !
For your boys sake slow it down have fun watching and let him have fun playing. Its best for everyone !
i sure hope every one reads this and takes to heart |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2009 : 16:50:25
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bMoser I respect your passion and dedication for the game and to your son.
winning in sports yes can help support winning in life although it doesnt always turn out that way as we see too often in the news
best to all 
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Originally posted by bmoser
coachdan06:
Guilty as charged! In fact, I'm probably one the guiltiest (is that a word?) parties of them all. I've racked up 160 posts on this site in a few short months (I post on the GA Select and LBL sites too), and watch more games in my son's age group than some tournament directors.
I started teaching my son the game as soon as he could stand. Then he made all stars, then he made a travel team. The sense of our accomplishment together has strengthened our bond. Baseball just happened to be tool I chose to teach him some of life's lessons.
The Dads/Coaches on this site have helped their sons and their sons teammates rise into the top 5%, beating out the other 95% who were trying their best to beat them. This board celebrates that victory but also exposes the fact that being in the top 5% just won't do for gamers like us and our sons.
We hedge our baseball bets (of our sons quitting before High School) by also supporting other sports and activities. We try to find balance. We see the competitive drive, and practice-makes-perfect lessons learned on the diamond carrying over.
After our boys are done with sports, these life lessons will drive them to beat 95%+ of the rest in whatever they do. They'll know they've done it before, and what it takes to do it again.
I see nothing "over the top" about this generation of winners fostering the next generation of winners. I love the intensity. It's never too early to teach your kid how to compete, and win. Winning in sports has a very high correlation to winning at life. Worked for me.
Our boys enjoy computer games, playing wall ball, splashing in the pool, going to the beach, and other 4th grader stuff. And we all take time out to take it all in and let them be kids. We just don't talk about all that here.
Hope this helps you put our passion into a larger perspective. I hope I don't offend anyone by talking in the collective. Sorry if I did.
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 18:25:12
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coachdan06
If your looking for absolutes, you'll be looking for a long time.
Tonya Harding makes your point well, but Michael Change makes my point best. Read his farewell to tennis sometime. It captures the essence of sports and what it means in the larger scheme of things.
What other endeavor will yield a higher success rate? Not academics. Making straight A's has little correlation to making money and I'm sorry, but that's the way we keep score 'round here.
Check out Rush Limbaugh's CPAC speech part 7 on Fox news.com. If you don't see the meaning of youth sports afterwards, I cant help you.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2009 : 18:52:01
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coachdan06
forgot to mention to obvious. For every sports figure whose demise is glorified by the media, there are 100 success stories that are just not as newsworthy, so don't be mislead by the media. In the media dirt sells, but its far from reality. |
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biged
198 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2009 : 19:12:01
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| I went back to s. Fla this past xmas. Nearly all the stud pitchers from 10u (class of 2014) are encountering arm problems. they simply threw their arms out due to yr round baseball, over bearing parents and coaches.. Now they are fighting to b position players. Problem is the little ankle bitters caught up to them. Speed, quickness, and fundamentals trumped size. Moral of the story is to "less is more when it comes to pitching" |
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BaseballJunky12
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 20:54:58
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I agree. To many people post about pitching speeds and homeruns. The object is to win. Yes it helps if you can pitch fast or hit homeruns but there is so much more to baseball than homeruns and how fast someone pitches. I agree with this post. Well said!
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Originally posted by baseballbrad
I was there as well since I coach Holly Springs.First of all good pitchers are not measured by radar guns.Thats crazy.Most of our pitchers only throw 50-55 at most so you are correct on the speed.No one from our group hypes pitchers speed as we don't care.We focus more on location and control of off speed stuff.Mainly just getting hitters out.I thought that was the object of the game?I do agree that most people totally hype how fast their kids throw and how far they hit homeruns!I didnt feel any kid in our game on either team was 10 mph faster than anyone else but the gun doesnt lie.6-4-3 did have one pitcher I felt was faster than the anyone else but it didn't seem that big of a difference on the field.Just my opinion.I won't speak for our team but will say the 6-4-3 are a very good team and fundamentally sound.They have a very deep pitching staff and handle themselves as a class act.We all could learn from that.Not sure who you play for but good luck when you face them and when you face us go ahead and set the pitching machine on 50-55mph because that is all we got.I think parents get way too concerned with pitching speed and distance of home runs.All kids develop at different stages physically.We should focus on teaching them fundamentals as this age.
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ec1
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 22:29:51
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Your HS coach will not ask for your 10u transcript. Play for a coach who will teach you the fundamentals. The real players from
your class have not yet emerged....will be interesting who the real teams are in the Major State tournmentt... good luck--like your spirit |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2009 : 22:53:26
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| I read these posts and it really makes me feel lucky to be where we are with our 10U and 12U grandsons. I felt that my 12U might have been overpitched at 10U and had a long talk with his coach that listened and now it's no more than taking his turn in the rotation that has grown since 10U. My 10U plays with the Bandits that uses 6 pitchers in their rotation with 2 others that can burn innings and so far no signs of being overused. Our coaches count pitches and know their limits and I can firmly state that both of these coaches would rather lose the game than to put one of their players at risk. I felt lucky to be where we were before I started reading this forum but after reading some of the posts feel even luckier that we landed on the teams with really good men that have the best interest of the kids foremost in their minds. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2009 : 07:10:50
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BigEd : Thanks for sharing that. I think I'll back off the year round stuff this year. Do our 50-60 games, hang up the bat bag in June. I'm looking forward to the Resurgens Orthopedics video to see if they encourage long toss year round to any extent. My son is one of those little ankle biter types you mentioned, so you made my day.
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Originally posted by biged
I went back to s. Fla this past xmas. Nearly all the stud pitchers from 10u (class of 2014) are encountering arm problems. they simply threw their arms out due to yr round baseball, over bearing parents and coaches.. Now they are fighting to b position players. Problem is the little ankle bitters caught up to them. Speed, quickness, and fundamentals trumped size. Moral of the story is to "less is more when it comes to pitching"
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WaltDem
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Posted - 03/02/2009 : 10:03:07
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Originally posted by bmoser
coachdan06
If your looking for absolutes, you'll be looking for a long time.
Tonya Harding makes your point well, but Michael Change makes my point best. Read his farewell to tennis sometime. It captures the essence of sports and what it means in the larger scheme of things.
What other endeavor will yield a higher success rate? Not academics. Making straight A's has little correlation to making money and I'm sorry, but that's the way we keep score 'round here.
Check out Rush Limbaugh's CPAC speech part 7 on Fox news.com. If you don't see the meaning of youth sports afterwards, I cant help you.
Tonya Harding who's that?
I feel the reference was more to Mike Vick Roger Clemens Latrelle Sprewell how far do you need to go
Look the point was and I support it absolute that 10 years old is but a babe in the woods with baseball.
Your sons success at this age in the sport while hopeful has ZERO bearing on his life's travels not to mention his future in baseball alone.
So just relax have fun with him because in a few short years it could be all over you have no control over that Sir |
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