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stallion
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 Posted - 02/28/2009 : 18:02:04
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Many say that they would take pitching over hitting. And I have supported that axiom in my life. But, after seeing just a few games over the past two weekends; I just do not see a difference in the pitching from 9u to 10u. The top kids are throwing the same speed as last year and there are very few great change ups. Most of the hitters I think will get better because this is their second year of kid pitch. Your thoughts? Also, there are several coaches and parents making bold statements on this site based on last year performances, I think you are doing a disservice to your team and yourself by predicting the demise of some teams. You would be better served to stay in your lane and let the kids play.
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secondbase13
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 18:47:35
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Well said!
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Originally posted by stallion
Many say that they would take pitching over hitting. And I have supported that axiom in my life. But, after seeing just a few games over the past two weekends; I just do not see a difference in the pitching from 9u to 10u. The top kids are throwing the same speed as last year and there are very few great change ups. Most of the hitters I think will get better because this is their second year of kid pitch. Your thoughts? Also, there are several coaches and parents making bold statements on this site based on last year performances, I think you are doing a disservice to your team and yourself by predicting the demise of some teams. You would be better served to stay in your lane and let the kids play.
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biged
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 19:57:03
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| As a parent who has been where u are going, I can say in my humbled opinion that hitting does catch up to pitching. Curve balls from 9 through 12 are a novelty pitch. Something to talk about in the dugout, but not game changing. Even the best are not consistent w/ off speed stuff. Simply sit on fast ball. Now, as you're child advances (13) off speed stuff and/or change of plain stuff come into play. If u can teach your kid to stay back and let the ball come, then u have done your job. I always hated the kids in 9-12 who didn't throw hard enough to brake glass, it frustrated the kids to no end. Well, this is an excellent time to wk on off speed/change of plain stuff. |
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longhorn1
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 22:03:03
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| Pitching was always ahead of the hitting at every level I played...early. Interseting year ahead. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2009 : 22:15:02
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Stallion,
Let's examine the facts.
The winners at ATP held opponents to 0, 4, and 5 runs.
At Cumming the prior weekend, the Raptors held Parkview to 2 runs in the finals and Parkview held Midway to 2 runs in the semi's.
The Grip won 2-0 in Monroe the same weekend.
The prior weekend, the North Gwinnett Bulldogs beat Central Park in Dawsonville 6-4 in the finals.
On all these occasions, pitchers were throwing 50+ mph, and all but 1 were changing speeds. (who can tell me which one wasnt?) I was there with my gun. The average runs against of all the games above is ~2.5 runs.
I watch 100+ games a year in this age group alone. I've watched 16 games so far. These are bold statements based upon this years performances. If anyone out there was at any of these games and saw something different, please do tell. Of course, defense was a factor too, however, defense is much better with great pitching. Was anyone else out there at all 4 of these tourneys? Does anyone still think the hitters have the upper hand and the pitchers have not improved since 9u when scores often ran into double digits?
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Originally posted by stallion
Many say that they would take pitching over hitting. And I have supported that axiom in my life. But, after seeing just a few games over the past two weekends; I just do not see a difference in the pitching from 9u to 10u. The top kids are throwing the same speed as last year and there are very few great change ups. Most of the hitters I think will get better because this is their second year of kid pitch. Your thoughts? Also, there are several coaches and parents making bold statements on this site based on last year performances, I think you are doing a disservice to your team and yourself by predicting the demise of some teams. You would be better served to stay in your lane and let the kids play.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 22:27:35
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| I think that if you take a good long hard look at the successful teams you will find many different qualities each time out. One game the pitching may stand out, another the hitting, another a good defensive stand, another a good coaching strategy such as the right pitcher chosen to throw against the right team at the right time. I do agree that last year is gone and out the window and that all bragging rights for 2009 are yet to be earned. I think everyone in 10U knows that the race is on and that it is looking tight in the back stretch. |
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BREAMKING
323 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2009 : 00:24:34
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| Most better teams have one thing in common good defense. This accounts for not many walks. A good coach should be able to manufacture a couple of runs a game. I will go with my old high school coaches way of thinking. Play good defense, do not walk guys, and he will get us a couple of runs to win a tight ball game. He had a great run and even though the talent always changed the school was always one of the tougher teams to beat and every once in a while a good group would come through and he could make a run at a championship. |
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BBall123
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Posted - 03/01/2009 : 08:26:57
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Did anyone see the news this morning? Resurgens Orthopedic and the Braves have gotten together and made a free DVD about youth pitching.
Smoltz and Glavine and the Braves head trainer were on the news talking about it and both those guys did NOT throw a breaking ball till high school. And the trainer said that many of the arm injuries that they deal with today were caused when the guy was under 13 years old from kids throwing breaking balls.
They flat out said ITS WRONG DONT DO IT TO YOUR KID!
the rule is , if you are to young too shave you are too young to throw junk!
wake up people! if you are allowing it to happen you are wrong! |
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Rocky
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Posted - 03/02/2009 : 09:16:06
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| I am no doctor but I have to think throwing anything at full speed-force a bunch of times can't be good for a guys arm under 13. Do you no anyone who has never said there arm hurts even a little? Definatley more damage from junk though like you said. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/03/2009 : 07:35:51
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12u friend of ours who is great player can't pitch anymore because his arm starts to hurt. He's kept on the team because of his bat and infield play. Told his coach he doesn't want to pitch anymore, which I took to mean he doesn't want to deal with the pain anymore.
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I am no doctor but I have to think throwing anything at full speed-force a bunch of times can't be good for a guys arm under 13. Do you no anyone who has never said there arm hurts even a little? Definatley more damage from junk though like you said.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2009 : 15:53:04
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| in the pool games of any tourney they will, but not in the bracket games when the top guns take the mound. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 22:08:19
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| The hitting did not catch up to the pitching this weekend but I suspect as we play more that it might. Did anyone notice how effective the guys that are not flame throwers were by just hitting their locations and changing speeds from slow to slower. They kept some really good hitters off balance and out on their front foot. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2009 : 12:06:16
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Papa,
Those were the exact same words I used, "slow and slower" watching Duluth play the fireballing Yellow Jackets. You know how we all shift right when our fireballer's take the mound? Duluth shifts left!
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
The hitting did not catch up to the pitching this weekend but I suspect as we play more that it might. Did anyone notice how effective the guys that are not flame throwers were by just hitting their locations and changing speeds from slow to slower. They kept some really good hitters off balance and out on their front foot.
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10 u Will the hitting catch up with the pitching
