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loveforthegame25
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 Posted - 05/11/2009 : 15:17:23
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| Is Triple Crown, USTBA or any other organization going to offer a 13U 60/90 Tournament. How interested would you all be? |
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stanlewis
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 19:29:15
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| AAU's National Tournament at Disney is a 60/90. I worked the 13U two years ago at Mrytle Beach/Ripken and we had 93 teams. Northeastern teams play 60/90 at 13. Right now I don't have any numbers on how many are coming to Disney. |
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Storm Baseball
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 20:39:45
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At 13U, why do coaches think that playing 60/90 will prepare his players for next year? Does he really think that those players will fall back on the memory of one or two tournaments at 13U and help them when they are 14? Is it cool to say that you played in a 60/90 tournament at 13U???
Kind of confusing for me... |
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goyard
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 20:52:23
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Storm...if 60/90 is simply mixed in once or twice sporatically through the season I might agree with you. However, I am a proponent of progressing to that dimension if it is the 2nd half of your 13U season. In this scenario, absolutely do I feel the players will remember and grow accustom to the 60/90 dimensions. We will be doing this for the remainder of our 13U season (with the exception of Omaha)and looking forward to it very much. I feel it will make the transition a tad smoother for some.
LFTG....I like the idea myself bud...thus the reason we will do 14 Tourneys tail end. drop a level to AAA or even AA and let it rip  |
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Mike Corbin
523 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2009 : 22:06:16
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| I am not a fan of 60/90 at 13. That is only playing 1 year at the 54/80 distance. The game is slow enough when you play it at 60/90 as 14's. |
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daltontigers
27 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2009 : 22:53:57
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| Most all our kids play 60/90 in middle school and personally after playing the whole season at that distance it is a little better (once you have played it)! Just one opinion! |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2009 : 23:19:00
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Originally posted by stanlewis
AAU's National Tournament at Disney is a 60/90. I worked the 13U two years ago at Mrytle Beach/Ripken and we had 93 teams. Northeastern teams play 60/90 at 13. Right now I don't have any numbers on how many are coming to Disney.
Which week of Ripken has 93 teams? The week we were looking at was sold out and only had 12 or 13 teams. |
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stanlewis
545 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 08:37:26
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| It was not a Ripken tournament, it was the AAU National. They used the Ripken complex, plus all of the local high schools, local college fields and the minor league stadium. The Ripken complex does not have room for a large tournament. |
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alphadawg12
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 09:35:50
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| Back in the "Good old days" we did not go to 60/90 until 15. In my humble opinion probably 80-90% of the players are not ready for 60/90 and need another year of maturing. The jump from 50/70 to a 60/90 is just huge and a lot of kids have not hit their growth spurt yet. |
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lifeguard
74 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 11:08:15
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Originally posted by Mike Corbin
I am not a fan of 60/90 at 13. That is only playing 1 year at the 54/80 distance. The game is slow enough when you play it at 60/90 as 14's.
Mike, I am in total agreement. I've wondered if more kids didn't quit playing because their physical body wasn't ready for this move at 14, let alone 13. Where this is going, we will soon have 11/12's playing 60/90. When will we leave well enough alone to allow the majority of "kids" to continue to have fun. For example in basketball, I've watched the kids play on 6, 7 and 8 foot goals around the elementary schools, and they have so much fun being able to do some of the things they've seen on TV. They will stay out there all day. Guess I'm not a fan of 60/90 for 13s or 14s. |
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loveforthegame25
448 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 14:49:41
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| This is some interesting reading. I have to admit, I was wrong so far about opinions. I was thinking it would be the other way, more were for doing 60/90 at 13. |
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goyard
217 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 15:21:23
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| LFTG - Triple Crown Myrtle Beach Venue in July is 13u at 60/90 I believe |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 16:00:02
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It probably depends on how many you have that are 8th graders vs 7th graders.
There are some pieces that players like, particularly pitchers.
It allows change-ups to really work because they have time to slow down, Two Seam Fastballs have more distance to move, etc.
For the ones that struggle at 54/80, the will not like 60/90, but for those that do well at 54/80, it helps push them to get better by making drive the balls in the gap more. The pop-fly HR's are routine outs, and it rewards speed on the base paths.
Most of the kids that I have talked to that have played it loved it. Some parents and coaches don't want to see their players struggle to get the ball out of the infield. They don't look at it as something that can help the players develop by challenging them. |
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daltontigers
27 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 22:28:42
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| I guess I see some kids that struggle a little from 54 with the faster pitching never struggle from 60 due to more time to react I guess. But there are some that for sure do struggle with the throwing distances. It is tough for some! |
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Storm Baseball
212 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 22:40:22
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| Wouldn't it be better to keep the "field" smaller and quicker for the players to develop? Reaction time is essential. I agree with the 7th graders vs. 8th graders statement Old School. I know we have two 8th graders on our team but I feel reaction time is key. You have less time to react as a batter and certainly less time in the infield to react as well. Just my opinion for my team...I guess the elite teams (since they have the more "mature" players for 13U) are far more ready than my team. |
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wildcats9596
110 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 23:14:48
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Originally posted by goyard
LFTG - Triple Crown Myrtle Beach Venue in July is 13u at 60/90 I believe
We toyed with the idea of going 60/90 after Mazzone to prepare for Ripken, but it was sold out, so we decided just to stay 54/80 for the duration. |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2009 : 08:52:58
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| If you keep the fields smaller, you are giving up developing "Range" and strategy of the game for quick reaction. When they move to 60/90, other than 3B, reaction time is not as key as the ability to range and develop a strong throw. Moving to the 60/90 field allows for the teaching of the hit and run, hit behind the runner, work opposite gaps, etc. On the smaller fields, these can be worked on too, but much less effective due to the fielders not having to cover as much ground. |
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lifeguard
74 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2009 : 00:03:04
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
If you keep the fields smaller, you are giving up developing "Range" and strategy of the game for quick reaction. When they move to 60/90, other than 3B, reaction time is not as key as the ability to range and develop a strong throw. Moving to the 60/90 field allows for the teaching of the hit and run, hit behind the runner, work opposite gaps, etc. On the smaller fields, these can be worked on too, but much less effective due to the fielders not having to cover as much ground.
Dr, I'm in agreement with your observations. I just don't think it is necessary for the 13s. From an umpires point of view, I've done some of the 7th grade middle school ball and its a struggle for me and the teams. Thats not to say that some of the 13U elite teams with 8th graders are not ready, but not the masses. My other thought is where this will go in the future as it seems like only 5 years ago when someone suggested that 14U play in a 60/90 tournament. Now its the norm and in 5 years it'll be the norm for 13U. This year alone, there are 93 13U major and AAA teams listed on USSSA, but its my opinion that half would disappear if they had to play 60/90. And although its a choice right now, Little Johnny will be left behind if he doesn't do it too.
Now I know there are some out here that will say, "but the other sports play HS size at this age." And they're right. And even here in football country, baseball is still the toughest sport to play. And the evidence is in Canton, where failing 7 out of 10 times, gets you in.
Just my view from behind the plate where I'm happy that 13U and 14U still use a time limit. |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2009 : 08:48:24
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Lifeguard,
I see your points. I really think the 12U Majors should go to playing 54/80. That would help the progression. Maybe have the following done:
12U Major - 54/80
12U AAA/AA - 50/70
13U Major - 60/90
13U AAA/AA - 54/80 |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2009 : 13:40:32
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
Lifeguard,
I see your points. I really think the 12U Majors should go to playing 54/80. That would help the progression. Maybe have the following done:
12U Major - 54/80
12U AAA/AA - 50/70
13U Major - 60/90
13U AAA/AA - 54/80
Just curious, has somebody identified a problem with the boys progressing through the current dimensions most of the Georgia boys go through? |
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