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baseballnutz
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 Posted - 08/12/2010 : 10:20:28
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I read about other age groups being watered down and not enough Major Teams, that is not the case in this age group. Yes, we have alot of teams but we also have alot of strong teams. There are 10-15 teams this year that can win any tournament they enter which should make every team that much better. I'll take a shot at a preview.
1. Yarddogs - Best team in the state past (3) years.
2. ECB Longhorns - Picked up strong pitching and good bats, is this the year?
3. ECB Yankees - Lost some, picked up some. Should be interesting.
4. OP Sharks - Are they going to be able to add a couple of players to take the next step?
5. Covington Sting - Want to see them play the best more often.
6. Acworth Warriors - Lots of talent, can they take the next step?
7. Ringgold Tigers - nice run at WS, hope to see them play the big tournaments more as well.
8. Signature Park - Good talent and have played together for some time.
9. OTC - same as Signature Park
10. 643 Cougars - 5 new players and well coached, will it come togther?
Other teams to watch.
Atlanta Blue Jays - when they are all there they can play with anyone.
Elite Gamers Red - nice run in the WS, can they make an impact this year?
Georgia Blues - nice team with good talent, well coached.
Georgia Red Sox - fun to watch with talent.
Mill Creek Hawks - this team can hit with anyone.
Kennesaw Generals - well coached and talented.
Georgia Braves - are they going to move up this year?
I'm sure I missed some but just looking at the teams above this should be a fun year - now can we get all these teams together and play a tournament let's say at East Cobb, that would be fun to watch! They could charge a nice gate fee. |
Edited by - baseballnutz on 08/12/2010 10:30:23 |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 13:44:28
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Just some food for thought.
Last year the Mill Creek team beat: Covington Sting, Signature Park, OTC. Actually, we played them more than once and consistently beat these 3 teams.
We lost to the Longhorns by one run in the TC State and played the Yankees close until late in the game. We are poised to add 2-3 quality players which will strengthen the lineup quite a bit and add to our pitching depth.
Looking forward to seeing how we fare against this great age group. |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 16:28:46
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| Don't forget that at 10U there is now a AAA divisions where as in 9's it was AA or open, it'll be interesting to see if most of these teams sign up for majors rather then AAA. |
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Hillio
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 17:46:40
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now can we get all these teams together and play a tournament
YES!!! - PLEASE for the love of God can we have at least one tournament with all the top teams present? I could not figure out for the life of me why a certain few teams avoided each other last year like the plague. And then then we had to listen to them bicker back and forth at each other for 6 months about who was better. Just play and be done with it already.
I like your top 10, but I think Ringgold should probably be around #5 or so. |
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baseballnutz
427 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 21:21:54
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
Just some food for thought.
Last year the Mill Creek team beat: Covington Sting, Signature Park, OTC. Actually, we played them more than once and consistently beat these 3 teams.
We lost to the Longhorns by one run in the TC State and played the Yankees close until late in the game. We are poised to add 2-3 quality players which will strengthen the lineup quite a bit and add to our pitching depth.
Looking forward to seeing how we fare against this great age group.
I got to watch you guys a couple times last year, once in Cumming and again at ATPP and was very impressed with your team. Very solid up the middle with very good bats. If you guys have upgraded and added a couple of good pitchers look out, your group could easily be a top 5 or better ball club. God this time of the year sucks! Let's play ball already!
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baseballnutz
427 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 22:48:16
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Originally posted by ecbinsider
Don't forget that at 10U there is now a AAA divisions where as in 9's it was AA or open, it'll be interesting to see if most of these teams sign up for majors rather then AAA.
Very good point - I'd like to think most will sign up as Major but we will have to wait and see. Good news is this will only impact USSSA tournaments. |
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excoach12
159 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 23:07:09
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Any thoughts on the new EC Astros outfit?
Two of the 9U EC Longhorns went to them as well as one of the EC Navigators. I think they might have also picked up a big kid at the tryouts who looked pretty good. Saw the Astros coach talking with the father but don't know what was going on. Don't know his name, and wouldn't use it here anyways, but I saw him pitch against a very strong Strikers Black team up in Fort Mountain this spring and he struck out 10 of the 15 batters he faced and the other 5 grounded out. He pitched twice at tryouts and struckout 4 of the 6 batters he faced, others popped out and grounded out. I also remember him clearing a 220' fence for a HR and then bounced a second over it for a GR double at Ft Mtn.
I understand the 10U Astros manager and coach just finished being the 13U Astros manager and coach. It's a new team so they may not be much of a contender this season but theres obviously coaching talent and success running the team.
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2010 : 11:47:28
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| Baseballnutz, I'm glad you got to see them. They are a really good group of players and coaches. |
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CenterField
138 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2010 : 11:57:11
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Originally posted by excoach12
Any thoughts on the new EC Astros outfit?
I know the Astros were formed very late in the process so Im not sure where most of the team is coming from. I guess we'll have to wait and see a roster. I believe the 2 coaches kids are playing up as they did last year for the Longhorns. There were 9 Navigators that formed the core of the JCS Jackhammers and another is now at 643, so Im not sure who was left.
My guess at the 10u ECB hierarchy would be: Longhorns, Yankees, Mudcats, Astros/Titans and then the Hurricanes.
FWIW, the Top 10 that started this thread is pretty good. I would move Covington down until they prove themselves against other top competition. I would also move EG-Red in at #10 and move 643DP out because of all the new players. |
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raiders92
27 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2010 : 18:31:22
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| Any thoughts on the talent level of the new ECB Mudacts? |
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touchemall
145 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2010 : 21:14:13
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| Don't know much about the new Mudcats team. Where are the players from? |
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CenterField
138 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2010 : 23:32:28
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Originally posted by touchemall
Don't know much about the new Mudcats team. Where are the players from?
I think they will be a pretty good team. I am not positive, but my understanding is that its several kids from 643DP, Shaw Park, Kennesaw, and NYO. The coaching staff also seems to be pretty experienced.
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Foul Territory
32 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 11:12:18
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| Interesting news if the 2010 13U ECB Astros Manager is going down 3 age divisions. My first thoughts are that ECB is putting together a long-term plan to "improve" their overall program. It must be getting more difficult for the 13U and up Astros to acquire talent from outside their organization. Few years back, regardless of what team a child played for previous to 13U, inside or outside ECB, if the 13U, 14U, 15U or 16U called your name you accepted the invitation. Must not be so easy so they'll build the team from within. I'd expect the manager to move up with this group through 13U. By 12U they'll probably be one of the country's Top5!! |
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Leebegbaseball
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 14:38:08
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| You have to acquire the top talent in the state to be one of the top 5 teams in the nation. The team that they will have as a 10U team will most definately not be the same team that they will have at 12. |
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baseballready
188 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 15:38:16
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Originally posted by Foul Territory
Interesting news if the 2010 13U ECB Astros Manager is going down 3 age divisions. My first thoughts are that ECB is putting together a long-term plan to "improve" their overall program. It must be getting more difficult for the 13U and up Astros to acquire talent from outside their organization. Few years back, regardless of what team a child played for previous to 13U, inside or outside ECB, if the 13U, 14U, 15U or 16U called your name you accepted the invitation. Must not be so easy so they'll build the team from within. I'd expect the manager to move up with this group through 13U. By 12U they'll probably be one of the country's Top5!!
Don't think ECB is having any trouble getting talent from outside. They may just be trying to develop talent within ECB so they can recruit more from within. |
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travelballer55
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 20:03:30
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| At their age group I can't see how there could be any real panic within the ECB ranks, nor do I believe that an "Astros" name indicates a need to develop talent from within. Having one nationally recognized team is a feat for any program. Having two (the Longhorns and the Yankees) tells me that whatever they're doing over there is a pretty impressive start to that age group's future. Forget what the Astros may or may not do nationally...I am more looking forward to see how they can survive against such powerhouses within their own facility |
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Foul Territory
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 20:51:41
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baseballready I don't think you realize you have said almost verbatim what I posted. I must have worded in a way that came off uncomplimentary to ECB so you thought you were disagreeing with me and coming to ECB's defense...lol!
I said "they'll build the team from within". You then posted "they may just be trying to develop talent within ECB".
I'm not trying to speak for ECB; only basing my statements on past knowledge I have, combined with speculations posted on the forum. Don't think the comments were attacking the program, excuse me if I hit anyone in the gut.
Go back the previous three seasons with the 13U roster for the Astros clubs. Probably 35-50% of those rosters, on any given season, have players with more roster history outside ECB than within. In contrast we're hearing reports of two 13U ECB Astros teams in 2011 composed mostly of players who've been part of the ECB program for years. Put it together people...
I definitely think if a new 10U Astros team is starting, the roster will be much different in three seasons. And with a non-parent "professional" coach it will be much easier to acquire the best talent within ECB than your average ECB club is able to do. And part of being a great coach/manager of amateur talent, 10 year olds or 21 year olds, is being a good recruiter.
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Steel-Will
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 21:05:33
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Originally posted by Foul Territory
Interesting news if the 2010 13U ECB Astros Manager is going down 3 age divisions.
It's not the 13u EC Astros coach who will be managing the 10u EC Astros although I understand he will be assisting when possible.
I believe it's a 12u Astros coach who will be managing the 10u team. It's also my understanding that the emphasis will be on developing strong fundamentals and high baseball IQ.
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CenterField
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 22:19:13
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Originally posted by Foul Territory
I definitely think if a new 10U Astros team is starting, the roster will be much different in three seasons. And with a non-parent "professional" coach it will be much easier to acquire the best talent within ECB than your average ECB club is able to do. And part of being a great coach/manager of amateur talent, 10 year olds or 21 year olds, is being a good recruiter.
In the case of the new 10u Astros, my understanding is that the manager and at least one coach will have kids on the team. |
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Leebegbaseball
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 23:25:32
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Originally posted by Foul Territory
baseballready I don't think you realize you have said almost verbatim what I posted. I must have worded in a way that came off uncomplimentary to ECB so you thought you were disagreeing with me and coming to ECB's defense...lol!
I said "they'll build the team from within". You then posted "they may just be trying to develop talent within ECB".
I'm not trying to speak for ECB; only basing my statements on past knowledge I have, combined with speculations posted on the forum. Don't think the comments were attacking the program, excuse me if I hit anyone in the gut.
Go back the previous three seasons with the 13U roster for the Astros clubs. Probably 35-50% of those rosters, on any given season, have players with more roster history outside ECB than within. In contrast we're hearing reports of two 13U ECB Astros teams in 2011 composed mostly of players who've been part of the ECB program for years. Put it together people...
I definitely think if a new 10U Astros team is starting, the roster will be much different in three seasons. And with a non-parent "professional" coach it will be much easier to acquire the best talent within ECB than your average ECB club is able to do. And part of being a great coach/manager of amateur talent, 10 year olds or 21 year olds, is being a good recruiter.
The problem is that the coach of the 10U team is not a non-parent and that is the big issue. It is put together just like any other team coached by a dad. |
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baseballready
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 02:16:05
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| foul territory -- the only thing I disagreed with from your original post was your implication that ECB may be having trouble bringing in talent from outside the organization at 13U and above. I agree they will build from within. I disagree with why. |
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Foul Territory
32 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 08:40:02
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CenterField: Would you also please edit your post that includes a quote from me. I'm not the source of information regarding either the 2011 10U Astros or 2010 13U Astros.
Again I only made a comment from excoach12's post!!! And I didn't need to include his quote in my post to make a point/give my opinion.
I think the last thing most of us want to be is the source of MISINFORMATION! Right?? EDIT YOUR POST. Thanks in advance!! |
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Foul Territory
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 09:23:11
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More than one of my posts has been quoted and dissected primarily surrounding information I DIDN'T BRING TO THE FORUM...lol! excoach12's comment was even defined as problematic but I was quoted by Leebegbaseball...lol. I usually read an entire topic before commenting. Im just saying...
I didn't say their was "trouble" in ECB, only more difficult to get GEORGIA'S best talent. Not an unreasonable statement...not one I think ECB execs would widely dispute. Travel baseball is ever-growing...ECB not the only kid's on the block. 643 has now posted up in their backyard. The State's best "TRAVEL TEAM" Georgia Road Runners (check their resume going back at least to 2005, even had Bryce Harper before he was Bryce Harper) decided to have a 13U team in 2010, the Atlanta Blue Jays is steady growing, MLB's RBI program is growing and H.S. clubs are playing summer ball together under an RBI umbrella. Also consider neighboring states are trying to build comparable programs to ECB, so out of state talent isn't pouring in as before. All backing up that the State's talent is spreading out. Maybe I should have worded it that way from the beginning. Get familiar!
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 10:46:10
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| This topic has gotten way off track !! |
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travelballer55
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 12:29:47
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Lee -- I think parent coaches are fine so long as it is somebody who played the game and is a legitimate coach. You may disagree today, but in a few years I think you may remember this exchange and agree that non-parent coaches can be worse in many cases. It comes down to the actual person coaching your kid. Just wait until high school! Talk about hit or miss with those guys! My son played years of travel ball, and I found that non-parent coaches are the same as parent coaches...you have to find the guy that knows the game the best period. I think your opinion is definitely one I would have agreed with 10 years ago, especially since you might be referring to somebody you know (and have only experienced parent coaches so far). I can understand your position.
As for the rest, I don't know if somebody could've offered anything different to me and made me agree (years ago), but I think ECB or non-ECB doesn't matter. I think Guerry should be darn proud of himself and we should as well. He's running a business and non-parent or parent coach, the teams that do well over there are really well coached. Thus, I disagree that it's just like any other dad...those coaches may be fathers but their backgrounds are most likely a lot broader than the typical dad. Sure it prepares those kids, but we also probably agree that the 13u+ Astros will be predominately non-ECBers. I'm sure some will take offense, but Guerry is a specialist in taking the best out of one of the biggest cities in America, then going into neighboring states. How many MLB players played there (for a reason). I doubt many (if any) of those same MLBers played there at the young ages.
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excoach12
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 20:19:41
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Several issues with the 10U Astros discussions above:
1. Coach Crossing and Coach Shook are in charge of the 10U Astros. They both have a son on the team. Having a son on the team is being blown way out of proportion in these discussions. The inference is that a coach with a kid on the team is a bad thing. Baloney. Coach Lobus of the Longhorns has his son on the team. Coach Boyer of the Yankees has his son on the team. Look at other posts and see how many 7U-12U teams are touted as powerhouses and I guarantee you the coaches have sons on the teams.
2. Coach Crossing coached the 12U Astros.
3. Coach Shook coached the 12U Astros. He was also a coach of the 9U Longhorns under Coach Lobus.
4. Coach Crossing and Coach Shook both had 8 year olds on the 9U Longhorns.
The resume for these two coaches has alot more on it but just the above is impressive enough. Coach Shook was part of the Longhorns who had a record of 69-8, 16-3 vs 10U, with 7 championships. Coach Shook and Coach Crossing were involved with the 12U Astros with a record of, close to, 70-4 winning USSSA State, AABC State, Triple Crown State, FL Invitational NIT, USSSA Atlanta SNIT, SF Slugfest, TC Spring Frost and USTBA February Frost.
So they have kids who played up with the Longhorns, who in turn played up with 10U teams, 8yr olds vs 10yr olds, and a kid who played with the Navigators and they have impressive team records and have won a ton and people think they are cobbling together a team like any other dad coached team???
No one knows how a new team will do but with the background explained above I think I would give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
And Steel, EVERY team from the worst to the best focuses on developing strong fundamentals and high baseball IQ...... |
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