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Calif_Baseball
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 Posted - 02/22/2011 : 18:02:57
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This is of course an objective opinion. Here are a few that have proven they are at least in the discusion
Yard Dawgs Black
Team Maimi
Banditos Black
Avengers Force
Oakley Stealrays
Montgomery Crush
Alabama Tide
Rawlings Prospects
PSA Worth Sox Red
Sandlot Allstars
San Diego Show
Carolina Cubs
Mo Steel
OTC Bearcats
East Cobb Longhorns
East Cobb Yankees
DBAT Mustangs
Oklahoma Naturals
LA Mudcats
I think I am missing one...???
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baseballnutz
427 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 18:58:31
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| I hope they all are in the same place up in NY come June then we'll find out! |
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excoach12
159 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 23:23:15
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Good Lord, it was bad enough when we were all fighting about stupid Top Ten lists people keep coming up with when it was limited to Georgia; now it's spreading nationwide!
Hey! Who was in the Top Ten list when YOU were playing 10 year old ball??
Oh. You don't remember and nobody cares? See. It's a waste of time and of no consequence whatsoever. A Top Ten list strokes the egos of the coaches and parents, the kids could not care less. They'll forget what team they were on at 10 just like you did. |
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usc27
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Posted - 02/23/2011 : 09:36:34
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| Well put excoach12. I know I sure do not remember. The kids just want to play. The parents and the coaches' are the ones that make this out to be more than it is...just 10 year olds playing baseball! Let them have fun without all the pressure. See you guys at the park! |
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bosox04
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Posted - 02/23/2011 : 15:18:10
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| I played in a rec league when I was ten and I remember it like it was yesterday. I even remember my coach and many of the things he taught me. I was on a state championship team when I was 11 and that experience will be with me my entire life. To these kids, this is bigger than the world series, let them enjoy it and what harm if the dads enjoy it too? |
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funnyhop
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Posted - 02/23/2011 : 20:27:36
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Originally posted by Calif_Baseball
This is of course an objective opinion. Here are a few that have proven they are at least in the discusion
Yard Dawgs Black
Team Maimi
Banditos Black
Avengers Force
Oakley Stealrays
Montgomery Crush
Alabama Tide
Rawlings Prospects
PSA Worth Sox Red
Sandlot Allstars
San Diego Show
Carolina Cubs
Mo Steel
OTC Bearcats
East Cobb Longhorns
East Cobb Yankees
DBAT Mustangs
Oklahoma Naturals
LA Mudcats
I think I am missing one...???
I have one..........WHO CARES!!! |
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Heater
74 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 20:54:56
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| what criteria did you use? |
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ncballguy
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Posted - 02/23/2011 : 22:04:27
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| I think the carolina cubs should be moved in the top 5. If it doesnt matter then why are so many teams headed to ga, to see where they rank amongst like teams. plus its just fun. |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2011 : 00:26:53
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Wow, Guess I ruffled a few feathers. All I was asking is who are the top teams. Nobody said anything about top 10 or rankings...LOL Read what I wrote before you change the subject. Obviously a few teams from Ga. are going to Cooperstown for a national event. Would be nice to know who's who. I thought that's what this board is for discusions. I could care less about rankings. Let the boy's decide it on the field.
Baseballnutz seems like your the most rational one here. Are you going to cooperstown? If so what team? This is a big year at 10's with NYBC, Is your team going to try and qualify? |
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TLong
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:38:04
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Having just moved from GA to TX over the summer, based on seeing some of those teams Cali mentioned already is to add Legends (TX), Louisianna Banditos (affiliated with the TX Group), and ofcourse the..... Gulf Coast Shockers(TX) -beat a couple of the teams mentioned by Cali on their way to AAU Nationals Title. (...and only got better this year...  .. THAT is my totally biased opinion)
Excoach, way off base. I agree with what you are saying, but you picked the wrong forum... Read the post. Cosnidering most teams here are participating in an end of season WS or National tournament they are likely to run into a few of the teams mentioned in this post. In that case it is pretty good information. Thanks, Cali for the thread. Go Generals... Go Shox. |
Edited by - TLong on 02/25/2011 10:22:50 |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 12:24:38
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TLong Thanks for the comment. Yes that was the purpose of this post. To discuss the top teams in the nation. Not to rank them or put one ahead of another. Every year players change teams and some teams get stronger or weaker. During this Summer a lot of these teams will face each other all over the place.
I forgot about the Shockers out of Tx. I heard they took a few of the Banditos or Avengers to Fla with them in the AAU Championships? Did those players stay with the Shockers or go back to their teams?
My son will be going to Cooperstown during 10U week. Should be a fun week of baseball. Who do you think are going to be the Top Contenders during 10U week in Cooperstown? Obviously There are some good teams coming from Ca.,Ga.,Tx,Fla and the Carolinas. Not sure who is coming from the other States.
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Scorekeeper
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 14:01:42
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The best team going to Cooperstown is going to be the one that can rig their roster the best with additional star players from other teams.
Three or Four of the Carolina teams will do ok, and one or two will compete well into the top 16, but will come up a bit short because they are not doing super team roster construction. Or at least not yet. Maybe the phones start ringing soon. |
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touchemall
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 15:34:33
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| Shouldn't you go to Cooperstown with the same team you started with and not add talent unless other families cannot make the trip or players are injured? Just asking. Sounds like there is a whole level above just taking some kids to enjoy the experience that I don't know about. Do you make these extra players pay as much as the others have through the year? Are they taking spots away from kids who have been with the team all year and have put sweat equity into the team? How does it affect chemistry? I am curious what kind of conversations are had with the ten year olds who get bumped from a starting spot because the coaches bring in a stud for the last tournament of the season. Talk about discouraging a kid to keep playing the following years. Not sure I could have that conversation with a ten year old but maybe those types of teams that are all about winning at all costs have ten year olds with tougher skin than the ones I have coached over the years. Not judging those who do it. I just don't understand the forumla for success at that level and am curious. |
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Heater
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 16:14:55
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| Well said touch, teams that do that are more about the coaches than the kids. Forget the conversation with the kid, I'd like to be a fly on the wall when the coach has to tell the dad his plan. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 17:03:22
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If your team makes it to the quarters, semis or finals of Cooperstown, you will need the extra pitchers. Once bracket play begins, your team could have back to back to back to back to back games within a 24 hour period and that's if you are seeded top 14 !! If you are seeded lower than that it is worse.
I respect the coaches who add a pitcher or two to their roster a lot more than the ones that run little Johnny out to the mound game after game after game until his arm is about to fall off. There are no pitching limitations at Cooperstown and the atmosphere is very exciting so it is easy for a coach or parent to lose track of how much their child/player has thrown. |
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Scorekeeper
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 17:22:35
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touchemall,
Good questions? And you know the right answers. But unfortunately the right answers don't usually play thru til the finals.
It is what it is.
Personally I only want to go with the regular team. We've turned down 4 opportunities to go otherwise. 100% paid for too. |
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TLong
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 18:16:08
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Originally posted by Calif_Baseball
TLong Thanks for the comment. Yes that was the purpose of this post. To discuss the top teams in the nation. Not to rank them or put one ahead of another. Every year players change teams and some teams get stronger or weaker. During this Summer a lot of these teams will face each other all over the place.
I forgot about the Shockers out of Tx. I heard they took a few of the Banditos or Avengers to Fla with them in the AAU Championships? Did those players stay with the Shockers or go back to their teams?
My son will be going to Cooperstown during 10U week. Should be a fun week of baseball. Who do you think are going to be the Top Contenders during 10U week in Cooperstown? Obviously There are some good teams coming from Ca.,Ga.,Tx,Fla and the Carolinas. Not sure who is coming from the other States.
Cali, we weren't a part of the Shockers last year so I had to get the answer straight from the source. The Shockers did not pick up any of those players at the end of the season. Core group is still together. You may have noticed there is a player on this year's roster who played with Banditos last year. Other than that, I know that it is much more common to see a kid on multiple rosters here. During the fall there is a lot of shuffling around for non-football players who may play with multiple teams until spring. Also I don't think it is unusual to see a kid play with multiple teams after little league season. There has defintely been a bit of culture shock coming from GA to TX this year, with all that in mind. But a good experience nonetheless.
Back on track... Shockers are not going to Cooperstown.  Heading to Governors Games, Grand Slam WS, and a Super NIT ... Ofcourse we'll have to see after that. |
Edited by - TLong on 02/25/2011 21:26:02 |
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touchemall
145 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 18:34:11
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| Thanks for the responses. I had no idea they did not put limitations on pitches. |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 23:23:47
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TLong, We have played in Texas before, So we know how it is out there. We have friends in the Dallas area and have flown out to play on occassion. Had multiple invites to go to the Elites and AAU last year but we passed.
As far as Cooperstown is concern Bandit is right. There are no restrictions on pitching and if you are going out there with a Major team with the intent to go deep into the tournament you better have a lot of Arms. I seen one of the top pitchers in the nation at 12U pitch in 3 consecutive games last year. I thought the coach should have been tar and featered.
I do know that the Lamorinda Spartans from Ca. are going and are presently looking for players to add and take. There are a couple of other teams going from Calif. also and will take extra pitching with them. In my opinion the team from CA that always does well in Cooperstown is San Diego Stars. Lyle is the KING of cooperstown and always brings good teams(1 good team and 1 OK team). I also heard that last years 9U Elite WS Champion Oakley Stingrays might send a couple of their players with a team. Not sure which one.
My Son and I will be going to Cooperstown also. We are staying across the street from the park in a 5 bedroom house. So if you are going during 10 week and you see smoke from the BBQ come on over and have a cold one with us. Just a group of Dads Living the Dream with our boys....No Wifes...LOL |
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coach0512
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 00:00:22
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Thats always been the problem with Cooperstown. After multiple trips to CDP I think it safe to say that the top teams have always added players or substituted players from other teams to beef themselves up.
If you go to CDP with just your regular team, as I did several times, you have to have the mindset that you are there for a week of baseball fun with your kids and your goal can not be to take it all. It is just too rare for a team that has not added players. But these "regular teams" walk away having had alot more fun with their buddies and coaches because they did not beef up and put themselves under the pressure of needing to win it all. |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 15:33:20
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I dissagree with you coach. In fact I know a team out of GA that went to Cooperstown with their regular 11 and won the whole thing....Maybe you heard of them Georgia Bandits in 2009. It seems to me that teams use this as a excuse why they didn't win cooperstown. Teams add a few players because it is a long tourney. This is the same reason teams add players to go to the Elites or any other National Event. I read in another thread somebody said. "The Only People that Complain are the People that have No Chance of Winning"
Wether you agree with it or not it is the way baseball is at all levels. Shame on the Yankees for always getting and paying for the best players. Talented players want to play with other Talented players. Just the way it is and alway will be. Like it or not. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 19:25:47
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I agree with you Cali, I don't think it is just the dads who care....The boys love baseball, but they also love to win!! I have no problems ever with picking kids up, mine has had to sit because of it before....Just because there are some of us who do all we can to win championships we are in the minority on here....I for one am proud we don't run our team like every other team does...And of course the dads are proud!!
It was said best earlier, "it is what it is".....Bickering about it will do nothing to make our boys better....If you wanna play with the same 10 in a AA class that is fine, but it should also be just fine if we wanna play on teams that add talent and play the big tourneys!! |
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coach0512
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 22:25:54
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What a surprise. Cali Baseball doesn't agree with me. I'm heartbroken I don't have his vote.
I won't bore you with my baseball resume because you won't care anyways. But the point I was making is I have been to CDP several times over the past 11 years and most of the time the top team has added players. It is rare for a team without added players to win it all. Where in that do you get that I'm complaining about the practice? I don't care if you sit all 12 of your regular season kids and pick up 12 or 14 brand new kids and go to CDP to win it all. My point was that after all my trips to CDP I can say with alot of certainty that the teams who take the most away from a CDP trip are the ones who go there with their friends and enjoy the competition without the pressure of needing needing to win it all.
And whoever said and believes "The only people that complain are the people that have no chance of winning" is just wrong and thats a stupid statement. Here's a much better statement to live by "All it takes for bad things to happen is for good people to stay silent."
Lets start a tangential discussion- Would Cooperstown be a better experience for everybody if teams were required to submit their rosters, and have them frozen, in February each year and at least 10 of the players would have had to compete in at least 5 tournaments with the team before attending Cooperstown? |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2011 : 11:01:15
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you are funny. I agree with you when you say I don't care.LMAO!! The fact is you assume that kids that go to CDP on teams that add kids don't have as good a time as kids that just go to play. C'mon all the kids that go have a great time no matter if they go to Win or just play "without" the pressures. "PRESSURES" there is NO pressure on these kids. They are playing a game they love, Going out there and having fun. I will bet you that if you Poll all they kids at CDP they will tell you they would love to Win the whole thing at any cost. Even adding players to their team... You seem to think that everybody that adds players are out there to win.
Have you ever thought that some of these "TOP" players that get added to rosters may have only that opportunity to play a CDP. I know a few Top players in CA that have been added to teams. The fact is that a lot of these players come from a low income family and would never be able to afford going other wise. Look Coach I am not here to argue with you, I agree to disagree with you. Everybody's situation is different. Every team that travels to CDP may have a different agenda. But I think we both can agree that making sure the boys have a GREAT EXPERIENCE at CDP is first priority!! |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2011 : 11:12:48
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To answer your question. NO the reason? $$$$ CDP is about making money. Leave all the frozen roster stuff to Utrip and TC and all the other Org. There are some teams that have to add players because a few players on their roster cannot make it or can't afford it. The rules are very relaxed at CDP. I think there are a few that should be changed. Pitching limits is a big one. Here in Calif. a couple of the Org. have lifted pitching regulations. Which I think is the STUPIDEST thing they could have done!! Some coaches can't help themselfs leaving a kid in.
You should know how many games you can play at CDP during the elimination round. So wouldn't you think it would be better to have a extra arm or two rather than having players throwing a high number of pitches? |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 22:53:32
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| I don't really understand why Cooperstown is really in the discussion regarding best teams in the Nations......I love my friends with Bandits and I would never try to take away from a phenomenal accomplishment, but there are 100 teams that goto Cooperstown every week....There just aren't that many good teams out there....I personally believe that the competition in the Elite 32 or the NYBC would be much much better than 90 of the other teams at Cooperstown....Great experience? Absolutely....Best national level tournament?? Not even close...JMO disagree if you wish |
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