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ONE WAY
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 Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:25:09
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| The facts are everyone knew that the championship game was changed before any games were played on Sunday. I could be wrong but I am not all teams were OK with it. Now that the LONGHORNS won it everybody wants to say it was not fair give me a break. Let's all face the fact's the best team WON. get over it. |
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:28:20
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Hats off to anyone who could withstand that field in that format and come out on top. A deserved well done to both the Horns & Rays! After 7 games, we were toast. The stamina it takes to play that many and win is amazing. Heck, I was wiped just standing there doing nothing for 7 games. Congrats to Tae and team!
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BballNut
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:32:57
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Who's not giving the Longhorns their credit. If it had been the Longhorns who had won all their games but got eliminated with one loss, I'm certain you would have the same gripe. I understand the Rays complaint. On the other hand, I also understand TC's position. It wasn't worth the risk of additional injuries or even arm injuries. That's way too many games in one weekend. I'm sure the parents and kids loved it but that's a lot of stress on young arms and no matter how deep the pitching is on any team, that many games is not good for young arms. No one had enough - not even the teams with the best arms and deepest pitching. The offense won out over defense in the end. It's no wonder so many bombs were hit toward the end - far more than the beginning from what I'm told when the pitching would have been a lot better.
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Originally posted by ONE WAY
[bra]It is so said that if the team is not named the ...... or ..... everybody hates just give the Longhorns the credit they beat everybody that was put in their way. They only had 10 players and had to come out of the bottom. Tae and the Longhorns great job, let the cry baby's cry. I look foward to seeing you do the same thing this weekend at USSSA state. Hater's keep hating
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:35:29
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Its not OK when it comes in the middle of the tournament! So I guess any that had a problem with the change would have got there money back and could withdraw? Ya right... This should have been known before all teams paid there money. We signed up and paid to play until we were beat TWICE.
ONE WAY, the longhorns lost to the Rays. The second championship game would have been the legit way to finish this tournament.
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Originally posted by yankeedad
If thats the case then I am ok with it....so long as everyone knew ahead of time...thanks for explaining
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Originally posted by tae281
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
What kind of NONSENSE is that? This was a DOUBLE elimination tourney and the Rays never lost one game till the ship. Which means the Longhorns needed to play them a second game to win the tournament. What a JOKE triple crown! On your site you even have a time slot for a 9pm game in case that happened. I guess everyone else gets to lose one time but the Rays? Don't have DOUBLE elimination tourneys then change your mind in the ship.......
I have to agree with you there Gwinnett but we were all told the format was changed before we even played the 1st game on Sunday so it shouldn't have been a surprise to most.
Not a bad run for a team for some said was done a few weeks ago, extremely proud of my boys. We played all weekend with just 10 players, tough to play 9 games that way. Only wish our former coach stayed to watch how it's done...
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moccs
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:38:39
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| #16 from Elite Gamers got injured but dont know about Columbia County player. I agree with "just in" about focussing on the positive . The walk off for Hobgood against ECB Select was a grand slam and the place got pretty loud !! Our team was on the losing end of the potential walk off Grand Slam down 6-4 bases loaded and centerfielder made a great catch. Other than an issue with umps in a game against the Rays I think it was a great weekend of baseball. The Usssa State this weekend will be a double elimination tourney for the top 50% of the teams so there is a great chance for a rematch. |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 16:51:36
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gatorboy1, what team are you on? Batboy1, you must have been in the dugout to hear all that......lol...lol
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Originally posted by gatorboy1
sounds like the only ones complaining are from the losing team, heard tc offered to let the teams play the 9pm game but it was declined by the runner up. quote:
Originally posted by Gwinnett
You mean after the teams had already paid for a DOUBLE elimination tournament?? What a joke! Gotta love how there's always an excuse?
The Triple Crown site, even today, shows it as a double elimination championship game?
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Originally posted by Slurve
The change was made well before championship game so get the facts right! Great job to the rays and longhorns for a great tourny.
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ONE WAY
48 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 17:02:59
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| THANK YOU GATORBOY1 THEY ALL KNEW WHAT THE FORMAT WAS AND THEY AGREED. SO STOP CRYING. YOU TALK ABOUT THE KID'S CRYING. PLEASE JUST STOP AND MOVE ON |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 17:12:24
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| Despite tournament format being changed in the middle of the tournament -- there was some awesome games played with a lot of great players! Incredible to watch! Plenty of suspence! Gotta love Fowler park and its clean up crew! Loved it! Congrats Tae. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 17:18:01
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Both ways, nobody is crying...lol. Just making the point you don't change format mid way through. Unless its you of coarse..lol
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Originally posted by ONE WAY
THANK YOU GATORBOY1 THEY ALL KNEW WHAT THE FORMAT WAS AND THEY AGREED. SO STOP CRYING. YOU TALK ABOUT THE KID'S CRYING. PLEASE JUST STOP AND MOVE ON
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Spartan4
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 17:33:31
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I don't recall anybody posting on here or complaining on this forum when the East Cobb AABC tourney was changed DURING the tourney(hosted by the RAYS btw....) it was finally fixed the way it should have been but if it wasn't then I can promise one team would have gotten the shaft. I think the Rays have a legit gripe here and my nephew plays on the Horns, I wouldn't be happy if the tourney was changed halfway thru but this wasn't done to screw the Rays this was done before the Rays first Sunday game and all the remaining teams Sunday games. What really hurt the Rays is they had a really good pitcher who wasn't available and one player was in Cooperstown with another team instead of playing with his full time team. There was great baseball(officiating was consistently horrible) all weekend and our team finally hit the baseball like I have been waiting for all season. Great tourney Braves, Rays, and RBA there were some incredible match-ups and a lot of fun. Can't believe that NYO didn't come in there and spank all us money spending drama filled travel teams tho....After their parents told me how great they were I didn't think we would have a chance!!
Don't understand the gripe about the short fences either?? Both teams played with the same fences(I don't remember a crew changing the distances between half innings?) and I don't remember many teams just knocking the wall down with line drives either....Some MLB parks are tiny and some are huge...Part of the game
Andy your CF will be in high demand after this weekend!! Dude made more than one GREAT play out there!
(I think because it is 2 EC teams we could solve this entire issue and see who had who many innings left between the teams and just have a little fun scrimmage during our practice slots? I promise our boys could care less whether their .40cent medals say finalist or champion on it.....) |
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prestont
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 17:40:49
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CCDawg15 & Mocs - thanks for the clarification. Our team sat this one out but we don't live too far from the park so we got to see some good baseball and hang with lots of friends.
Evidently I got the team wrong but do hope all goes well for the kid who hurt his knee. Been there, done that - can predict the weather better than Chesley McNeil now 
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Originally posted by ccdawg15
Oneway, how can you say that the Longhorns beat EVERYBODY in their way when they had lost to the Rays on Sunday. Would have been nice to see a true championship game between the two as advertised from the beginning. What team was the kid on from Columbia County that got injured? Anyone know an update on his status?
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gatorboy1
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 19:02:21
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gwinnett, I am not on any local team but on a team out of state, we do come up and play a couple of times a yr tho. Here is the thing, if one of the teams had an issue and only the rays would of since they were on the top of the bracket then they should of have asked TC to keep it the same as when it started. If your coaches didn't ask triple crown to change it back then all teams knew how the championship was gonna be determined well before the game was played. not a big fan of changing the bracket after it started, did they do this for other age groups to?
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
gatorboy1, what team are you on? Batboy1, you must have been in the dugout to hear all that......lol...lol
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Originally posted by gatorboy1
sounds like the only ones complaining are from the losing team, heard tc offered to let the teams play the 9pm game but it was declined by the runner up. quote:
Originally posted by Gwinnett
You mean after the teams had already paid for a DOUBLE elimination tournament?? What a joke! Gotta love how there's always an excuse?
The Triple Crown site, even today, shows it as a double elimination championship game?
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Originally posted by Slurve
The change was made well before championship game so get the facts right! Great job to the rays and longhorns for a great tourny.
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 20:19:11
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It all starts again this Friday at ECB for the USSSA State. Lots of good teams including the final three from this weekend. Looks like there are only 17 teams entered. I would think there would be more.
dont forget that stealth and 643 are up in coopertown, might be a few others as someone said there were 15-20 teams just from georgia up there.
19 teams now. The teams in Cooperstown will not be back before usssa tourney begins on Thursday. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2012 : 22:38:57
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Originally posted by tae281
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
What kind of NONSENSE is that? This was a DOUBLE elimination tourney and the Rays never lost one game till the ship. Which means the Longhorns needed to play them a second game to win the tournament. What a JOKE triple crown! On your site you even have a time slot for a 9pm game in case that happened. I guess everyone else gets to lose one time but the Rays? Don't have DOUBLE elimination tourneys then change your mind in the ship.......
I have to agree with you there Gwinnett but we were all told the format was changed before we even played the 1st game on Sunday so it shouldn't have been a surprise to most.
Not a bad run for a team for some said was done a few weeks ago, extremely proud of my boys. We played all weekend with just 10 players, tough to play 9 games that way. Only wish our former coach stayed to watch how it's done...
Tae,
LOL LOL LOL, Not only are you winning your saving money too. Who said "dad" coaches can't get it done.
Congrats.. |
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adad
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 22:39:33
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| spartan 4- i find it hard to believe that an NYO parent claimed anything other than they hoped to win a game. not sure why all the negativity towards a rec team-the team has been together two weeks- they are nothing more than an all-star team. yes they got smashed by EC Braves(who hasn't) and yes they got run ruled by EC longhorns(the starting pitchers uni didn't match the rest of the teams...but they dished it out as well to some really solid teams RBA Titans, Alpharetta Titans and ECB Spartans....i noticed you have over 700 posts...my man you have way too much time on your hands....these are 12 year old kids-if one is your son, enjoy some time with him away from baseball-there is more to life... |
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rakin
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 23:21:08
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spartan 4- i find it hard to believe that an NYO parent claimed anything other than they hoped to win a game. not sure why all the negativity towards a rec team-the team has been together two weeks- they are nothing more than an all-star team. yes they got smashed by EC Braves(who hasn't) and yes they got run ruled by EC longhorns(the starting pitchers uni didn't match the rest of the teams...but they dished it out as well to some really solid teams RBA Titans, Alpharetta Titans and ECB Spartans....i noticed you have over 700 posts...my man you have way too much time on your hands....these are 12 year old kids-if one is your son, enjoy some time with him away from baseball-there is more to life...
A "rec all star team"! Really? Just checked their roster on USSSA, not your everyday all star team! Are these "travel" tournaments just tune ups for Dizzy Dean W.S.? |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 23:22:37
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Originally posted by adad
spartan 4- i find it hard to believe that an NYO parent claimed anything other than they hoped to win a game. not sure why all the negativity towards a rec team-the team has been together two weeks- they are nothing more than an all-star team. yes they got smashed by EC Braves(who hasn't) and yes they got run ruled by EC longhorns(the starting pitchers uni didn't match the rest of the teams...but they dished it out as well to some really solid teams RBA Titans, Alpharetta Titans and ECB Spartans....i noticed you have over 700 posts...my man you have way too much time on your hands....these are 12 year old kids-if one is your son, enjoy some time with him away from baseball-there is more to life...
The starting pitcher has been with us for a few months now, I don't think he wore the correct jersey but I could be wrong. Also, the same parent who was telling me how good the team was also said these boys have played together for quite some time?? I wasn't being negative in the least btw, after they crushed the RBA Titans(a team I consider a top 5 team in the state and have TONS of respect for) I guess I got a little nosy about this team I have never heard of and talked to a dad/uncle/brother about the NYO team. He didn't have any problem telling us how good he thought they were(nothing wrong with that I would never sell our team short either)....That is all I was referring too, sorry if I hurt your feelings I wasn't trying to. |
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big tuna
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Posted - 06/05/2012 : 00:52:57
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The NYO team played very well all weekend. They have a very good team and thier parents had the most class of all the teams playing.
Dont feel like you need to beat up a team on-line after losing to them on the field. Why not learn from it and come back a better team the next go around?
Tae kept the team going as they were appearantly drained on the field. There were 10 kids on the Longhorns that played well all weekend. All 10 came through when they needed to. Lots of clutch hitting kept the innings going. The pitching was good all around, even as the innings added up.
Congrats Tae and thanks for a great weekend of baseball.
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Slurve
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Posted - 06/05/2012 : 07:13:27
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| This is how I see it, EC rays played a great tourny but my hat is off to the longhorns for a well played weekend. The horns played out of the losers bracket and we all know that was not a easy feat. Put up 10 runs against the bravos in one inning and put up 11 against the rays in one inning. The rays was changing pitchers every ten seconds. They just couldn't stop the bats of the longhorns. So why didn't the rays complain when everybody was still playing instead of waiting to post it on the Internet? Hopefully we will see the two in pool play this weekend and let it be settled! |
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2012 : 10:27:12
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First of all, the rays were playing some of their best baseball I've seen all year, they were almost giving up amost no runs and scoring in bunches so I thought they would advance far into the bracket. I don't want to speak for them but don't the posts regarding the format change came from really one parent who wasn't there this weekend and he was only questioning why the format was changed and what happened. Unfortunately, nobody informed him about it so he thought his team got the short end of the stick and it's perfectly understandable. For those that were there this weekend, another game would have been our 10th that weekend, pitchers for the 2nd championship game would of been my son and probably the rays coach's son going at it since we were both spent on pitching.
All the credit goes to the players this weekend, they are the ones who played their hearts out. We may never have another run like that in a tournament again but hopefully it's something they will remember and take pride in what they have accomplished.
In regards to the NYO Titans, they are a very solid team and well coached, we were hitting like the ball was on a tee so it's not fair to judge them by that loss or the one to the braves. One kid hit 2 home runs in the same inning and he had only hit 1 all year so it was that kind of weekend for us. They are definately a major team, we've played against some of the same kids on that team for a couple of years about this time in the season and they have always beat some very good teams. Hopefully, we have something left for this weekend, looks like a much tougher pool of teams. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2012 : 14:33:13
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Originally posted by adad
spartan 4- i find it hard to believe that an NYO parent claimed anything other than they hoped to win a game. not sure why all the negativity towards a rec team-the team has been together two weeks- they are nothing more than an all-star team. yes they got smashed by EC Braves(who hasn't) and yes they got run ruled by EC longhorns(the starting pitchers uni didn't match the rest of the teams...but they dished it out as well to some really solid teams RBA Titans, Alpharetta Titans and ECB Spartans....i noticed you have over 700 posts...my man you have way too much time on your hands....these are 12 year old kids-if one is your son, enjoy some time with him away from baseball-there is more to life...
A "rec all star team"! Really? Just checked their roster on USSSA, not your everyday all star team! Are these "travel" tournaments just tune ups for Dizzy Dean W.S.?
NYO is always competitive. Good group of kids and coaches. They played great baseball this weekend, hats off to them.
But their gonna catch a little bit of crap on the boards when they pull in from Buckhead in that Mac Daddy RV.
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mbdale
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Posted - 06/05/2012 : 14:33:34
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| I actually talked with a couple of the dads from the NYO team as well. I found them to be very humble and complimentary of the other teams. Both of them said their team is one of the better teams NYO has had in the last several years, but there was no bragging or chest-pounding at all. I'm very impressed with that program and their ability to keep those kids together and in their park. I'm sure we'll see some of them heading off to travel programs in the next year or so. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2012 : 23:00:17
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Spartan, great point about the AABC tourney. The format was never changed. It was talked about adding a wild card. I remember getting a call about how some thought it wasn't right to change the format. End result it wasn't changed. I can say with 100% certainty we have NEVER been in a tournament that changed the format half way through--in 4 seasons of travel baseball & 2 seasons of travel softball. The ONLY time the format has ever changed was from the weather. I've NEVER seen the format get changed from injuries to players. Seen 3 broken limbs, 2 line drive shots to pitchers faces and countless other injuries. NEVER saw a format change from extreme heat (95-100 degree) in Florida--which was a double elimination with more teams. NEVER been to a tournament that the format changed because some team might not have enough pitching. I remember a mom asking the TD what if we don't have that many pitchers? The TD giggled and said you can always forfeit.
If there is a format change you NEVER no who it will effect till the end. That's why you don't change them.
The only other time I've seen a change is when a team backed out the day of and they had to change things to start tourney. Still that was before it started.
Question: If you were the team that won all your games up to the ship in a DOUBLE elimination tournament and didn't have the opportunity to play one more to see who would win - would you, your players, your parents and coaches be fine with that? And if you weren't fine with that couldn't you just forfeit and go home? Why would the TD determine for everyone on Saturday night or mid tournament? I think the coaches are smart enough to determine this on there own. This didn't require a mid tournament format change! The TD knew upfront how many games would be played and could have done it differently from day one.
Bottom line - a format change mid way through is not right.
If the teams were switched in this scenario I no for a fact Spartan would have a gripe as well.....lol
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I don't recall anybody posting on here or complaining on this forum when the East Cobb AABC tourney was changed DURING the tourney(hosted by the RAYS btw....) it was finally fixed the way it should have been but if it wasn't then I can promise one team would have gotten the shaft. I think the Rays have a legit gripe here and my nephew plays on the Horns, I wouldn't be happy if the tourney was changed halfway thru but this wasn't done to screw the Rays this was done before the Rays first Sunday game and all the remaining teams Sunday games. What really hurt the Rays is they had a really good pitcher who wasn't available and one player was in Cooperstown with another team instead of playing with his full time team. There was great baseball(officiating was consistently horrible) all weekend and our team finally hit the baseball like I have been waiting for all season. Great tourney Braves, Rays, and RBA there were some incredible match-ups and a lot of fun. Can't believe that NYO didn't come in there and spank all us money spending drama filled travel teams tho....After their parents told me how great they were I didn't think we would have a chance!!
Don't understand the gripe about the short fences either?? Both teams played with the same fences(I don't remember a crew changing the distances between half innings?) and I don't remember many teams just knocking the wall down with line drives either....Some MLB parks are tiny and some are huge...Part of the game
Andy your CF will be in high demand after this weekend!! Dude made more than one GREAT play out there!
(I think because it is 2 EC teams we could solve this entire issue and see who had who many innings left between the teams and just have a little fun scrimmage during our practice slots? I promise our boys could care less whether their .40cent medals say finalist or champion on it.....)
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/06/2012 : 09:27:16
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In this same tournament, at the 14u age group, they did not change the format. The team in the losing half of of the championship game won game one. The team then chose to forfeit the rubber championship game due to player fatigue and arm protection. The team had played 5 games THAT DAY and to have played the rubber game would have been to play their 6th game of the day. This would have been in addition to the 5 games already played on Friday and Saturday.
The format wasn't changed for this age group and the coaches took it upon themselves to choose to play the rubber game or not. Good for them to choose in the best interest of the boys.
The double elimination format is an outstanding one. I wish more tournaments would use it. However, changes need to be considered to either limit the number of teams allowed, especially if you have a 3 day window, or extend the time to host the tournament, starting on a Tuesday or Wednesday and playing through Sunday. Regardless of how formats may or may not have changed during the tournament, 11 games in three days at these ages is simply ridiculous. |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 06/06/2012 : 10:00:44
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That's how it should be done! Coaches are capable of making these decisions on there own! TD's no upfront how many games COULD be played and can easily make changes before it starts.
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Originally posted by in_the_know
In this same tournament, at the 14u age group, they did not change the format. The team in the losing half of of the championship game won game one. The team then chose to forfeit the rubber championship game due to player fatigue and arm protection. The team had played 5 games THAT DAY and to have played the rubber game would have been to play their 6th game of the day. This would have been in addition to the 5 games already played on Friday and Saturday.
The format wasn't changed for this age group and the coaches took it upon themselves to choose to play the rubber game or not. Good for them to choose in the best interest of the boys.
The double elimination format is an outstanding one. I wish more tournaments would use it. However, changes need to be considered to either limit the number of teams allowed, especially if you have a 3 day window, or extend the time to host the tournament, starting on a Tuesday or Wednesday and playing through Sunday. Regardless of how formats may or may not have changed during the tournament, 11 games in three days at these ages is simply ridiculous.
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