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mbdale
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 Posted - 06/24/2012 : 19:10:28
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| Anyone else wonder about some of these bats we see at tournaments? Half a team using one bat - and not even a big barrel? Weird sound - I think most of you will know what I'm talking about. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/24/2012 : 21:43:32
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So what's your point in posting this?
This topic has been beaten to death.
If you suspect that a team is using an illegal bat, then challenge it and file a protest. This is nothing new. Teams have and will cheat. Call the individuals on it or drop it. |
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adad
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Posted - 06/24/2012 : 22:03:44
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| there is no doubt some are using/rolling/shaving bats....they will continue to do so until a child gets seriously hurt of even worse killed by a line drive and someone checks the bat and legal charges are filed....pathetic for any coach to allow this to go on....its a bigger issue than a protest |
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ecbpappi
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Posted - 06/24/2012 : 22:09:13
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since when does a small barrell bat not hit as farther as a big barrell? I know the team your talking about and they do have 2 of these bats and only 3 kids use them so it's hardly half.
If there is any question regarding the bat, check it out on ebay and you'll see they are selling for 5X what they sold for new because everyone knows it hits well.
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Originally posted by mbdale
Anyone else wonder about some of these bats we see at tournaments? Half a team using one bat - and not even a big barrel? Weird sound - I think most of you will know what I'm talking about.
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mbdale
28 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2012 : 22:59:57
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| More than 3 kids hitting with it - 5 of 9 kids used it this morning. |
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mbdale
28 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2012 : 23:06:17
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| And the bat in question is a 2010 model - well before the requirement of a USSSA 1.15 stamp was even thought up. These manufacturers are going to be a liable as anyone if a kid gets hurt as they are taking back old inventory and stamping them so they will pass the legal test. |
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SOGAS
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:00:24
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| Are you referring to the easton stealth speed XL (red bat)? If you are then ecbpappi is right. They are asking anywhere from 400 to 650 for those bats now and those bats could be bought for 99. to 149. a year ago. They are hot and I see a lot of teams where 3, 4, or 5 kids will use the same bat. That does not mean they are cheating, it just means those 12 year olds like that bat. I have to ask, what was the score? |
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tae281
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:16:24
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The bat in question has the USSSA Stamp on it, it's been approved by Tony @ TC himself and USSSA after several uniformed folks wanted to protest. So, if you have a concern, put up the money to protest it otherwise you need to let it go.
And btw, there was another team that hit 3X as many home runs as we did so why are our bats being questioned? If a 12yr old kid hits a HR on a 210 fence, it must be the bat right? Gimme a break.
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Originally posted by mbdale
And the bat in question is a 2010 model - well before the requirement of a USSSA 1.15 stamp was even thought up. These manufacturers are going to be a liable as anyone if a kid gets hurt as they are taking back old inventory and stamping them so they will pass the legal test.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:31:58
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| No way, if it doesn't sound right and more than one kid uses it then cheating is the only real answer.....bat has been tested by independent companies that verify it meets the 1.15BPF rating that Easton gave it in 2010. The bat is legal. And truth be told it sounds EXACTLY like the Combat B2 2 1/4" bat as well(those must be cheated up too)......the team using the bat lost more games than they won this weekend....I remember when the Worth Prodigy came out and one kid hit a bomb with it every other kid used it for the next few tourneys as well. But I don't remember the whining over that one and it sounded a lot different than the rest of the alloy bats did. |
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:42:02
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mbdale and adad,
Yes the bat seems hot for the power a small kid can generate with it, but it is when the big mature kids are turning on a ball with it that the pitcher better be ready to get out of the way. Unfortunately a kid is going to get hurt bad at some point.
The real answer to your question is simple, if you have a problem with the bat, you and your team should protest by not paying and playing in and with tournaments associations that allow this bat. We live in era when very few people are going to do the right thing Vs trying to gain some advantage for their kid at the potential expense of hurting another kid, sad but true. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:42:16
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Originally posted by mbdale
And the bat in question is a 2010 model - well before the requirement of a USSSA 1.15 stamp was even thought up. These manufacturers are going to be a liable as anyone if a kid gets hurt as they are taking back old inventory and stamping them so they will pass the legal test.
The bat does have a USSSA 1.15 BPF stamp on it. |
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JMO
174 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 09:18:35
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| Did anyone realize these kids are now either 13 or approaching 13. Hitting a hr on a 200-250 ft fence is not that difficult. C/mon drop that bats debate. There are kids hitting 300ft bombs with legit bats. I was not at this tourney, but I know there are some big boys on that team that can smash. |
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baseballnutz
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 10:02:39
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Originally posted by Spartan4
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Originally posted by mbdale
And the bat in question is a 2010 model - well before the requirement of a USSSA 1.15 stamp was even thought up. These manufacturers are going to be a liable as anyone if a kid gets hurt as they are taking back old inventory and stamping them so they will pass the legal test.
The bat does have a USSSA 1.15 BPF stamp on it.
Was the stamp engraved after the bat was purchased? The stamp wasn't around in 2010? Was it engraved so the bat can be used next year? All 2 1/4 bats will need to have the 1.15 stamp next year but was not required this year. |
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Spartan4
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Thedudesdad
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 10:56:29
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| It is not the new thumbprint stamp. It has the old usssa 1.15 bpf writing, legal until 2014. |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 12:31:52
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| You know what negates juiced bats...Low strikes! |
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Blackfox
53 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 13:39:42
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| we saw this bat in Brunswick tourn this weekend being used by 4 players in a row that had some success at hitting homers. Good pitching jammed the others but would hate to see a injury and it should be a concern to all posting on the topic. |
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JABA
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 14:50:01
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| Every time this topic comes up, people are always pointing their finger in the wrong direction. The bat in question is super hot - but it's legal per the rules in place today. So why are you going to blame the kids, parents or coaches? They are using a bat that is allowed under the rules, they are not cheating in any way and it's ridiculous to even suggest it. If you want to complain about the bat then you should be complaining to the organizations that allow the bat (and others like it) to be used. I would like to see a rule put in place that required certain drop bats to be used at certain age groups (-5 at 12U, -8 at 10U & 11U, etc.). I can't stand to see a big 12U kid swinging a drop 10 or 12 bat, that feels like cheating to me. But again, I blame the organizations, the kids have every right to swing the bat if it's allowed under the rules. |
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Team Jax
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 15:19:08
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| Some coaches do no know it is going on, We have uber homerun parents that have lathes in the work shed. I know of two teams locally that have more than one doctored bat. |
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Blackfox
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 16:32:56
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| reading more on this topic on the web, you'll find that it will be only a matter of time before the bat will be not allowed, as noted "the lawyers will have a field day stating that the bats are banned in high school and college play". It also relayed that in CA there were 33 batted ball deaths I believe in a ten year period, 16 non-wood but then 17 were from wooded bats, also Louisville Slugger lost an 850k lawsuit for not having a warning label. The more we can find out the better to protect the players and such. |
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5220 Fans
112 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 16:52:26
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That is a SHAME If a parent willing knows as well as participate in the "Juicing" of bats, the child/player should be suspended for no less than 2 years.
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Originally posted by Team Jax
Some coaches do no know it is going on, We have uber homerun parents that have lathes in the work shed. I know of two teams locally that have more than one doctored bat.
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captainron
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 17:52:46
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I agree with you 5220 Fans and some teams and coaches should be banned also. It has going around here like wild fire. But these type of "Transient Events" will only be going on till they hit 13 and the backdraft and players leaving the game due to cruel nature of the game starts to occur. Also knows as the long fly out and speed and athletic ability come to the forefront. Cheating now only prolongs the inevitable.
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Originally posted by 5220 Fans
That is a SHAME If a parent willing knows as well as participate in the "Juicing" of bats, the child/player should be suspended for no less than 2 years.
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Originally posted by Team Jax
Some coaches do no know it is going on, We have uber homerun parents that have lathes in the work shed. I know of two teams locally that have more than one doctored bat.
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GAFarmer
90 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 08:18:55
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A simple google search found this
http://www.news10.com/story/17514271/little-league-player-struck-in-chest-by-ball-revived-after-heart-stops
It is only a matter of time till it happens to someone represented on this board. Kids are stronger than they were 20 years ago. Maybe it the steroids in the meat or evolution but as kids get stronger the bats should be toned down. Look at the balance sheets of the bat manufacturers. They are not suffering as parents foolishly spend their disposable income so little Johnny can add ten feet to his pop up. |
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JABA
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 09:45:59
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| Ummm............. This story is about a kid being hit by a pitch when he was up to bat? Very sad for sure, but not sure how this has anything to do with the bat? No reason to blame parents for buying their kids legal bats either, that's ridiculous. If someone is cheating, that's one thing - and penalties should be harsh. Bats have to meet a certain limit today which is a step in the right direction, there was no limit 20 years ago. Pretty sure most parents who have the opportunity will provide their kid with the best legal tools to succeed, whether it's in baseball or any other sport - why is that a bad thing? |
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GAFarmer
90 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 10:20:45
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Originally posted by JABA
Every time this topic comes up, people are always pointing their finger in the wrong direction. The bat in question is super hot - but it's legal per the rules in place today. So why are you going to blame the kids, parents or coaches? They are using a bat that is allowed under the rules, they are not cheating in any way and it's ridiculous to even suggest it. If you want to complain about the bat then you should be complaining to the organizations that allow the bat (and others like it) to be used. I would like to see a rule put in place that required certain drop bats to be used at certain age groups (-5 at 12U, -8 at 10U & 11U, etc.). I can't stand to see a big 12U kid swinging a drop 10 or 12 bat, that feels like cheating to me. But again, I blame the organizations, the kids have every right to swing the bat if it's allowed under the rules.
JABA---I am talking about altered bats. There needs to be more oversight for this issue both legal and illegal. Take your pick if you google this you will see plenty of acute myocardial infarction after baseball chest injury. |
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JJJ
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 11:02:56
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The question is why does USSSA or Triple Crown allow the use of softball bats in baseball. GET RID OF THE LITTLE RED BAT and Blue Combat and make these kids swing real baseball bats. Level the playing field and avoid unneeded injuries. Eventually somebody will get seriously hurt and their parents will sue the bat companies AND USSSA for allowing this when everyone that ever watches a game knows this is ridiculous.
Some of these kids are going to be in for a big change when they have to swing a big barrell, drop 3 bat, in the next 18 months. |
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