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BballNut
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 Posted - 07/11/2012 : 12:58:33
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Agree with @bgrazzini and @ecbpappi. This tourney was enlightening. GA was able to keep some of the games close until the break away innings which shows GA defense is superior cuz you can't control the size of these kids and what they were able to do with their bats. On the flip side to that the GA teams probably saw some pitching they haven't seen before which means the GA bats are really good to hang with them and pull out some big wins. @peashooter were you around to assess the pitching. Some of these big kids were easily in the high 70's low 80's. I heard one kid say that he literally never saw the ball that was pitched to him. He said he saw the windup and the motion then heard the ball clap the glove. He thought it was a magic trick. Hilarious.
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ecbpappi
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 13:23:33
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that's where the difference is, teams like CF Gators have 3-4 kids who would be any GA teams #1 pitcher in the state and they hit for power. The thing people need to realize is that is no ordinary travel team, flying kids in from around the country for tournaments at 12U is not the norm and if others had the resources some would do it to satisfy their ego or desire for recognition. If they can afford it, more power to them.
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Originally posted by BballNut
Agree with @bgrazzini and @ecbpappi. This tourney was enlightening. GA was able to keep some of the games close until the break away innings which shows GA defense is superior cuz you can't control the size of these kids and what they were able to do with their bats. On the flip side to that the GA teams probably saw some pitching they haven't seen before which means the GA bats are really good to hang with them and pull out some big wins. @peashooter were you around to assess the pitching. Some of these big kids were easily in the high 70's low 80's. I heard one kid say that he literally never saw the ball that was pitched to him. He said he saw the windup and the motion then heard the ball clap the glove. He thought it was a magic trick. Hilarious.
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peashooter
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 14:23:18
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bBall, I wasn't around. Sounds very much like Phenom type talent. Just bulldog your way to victory with insane bats and strong pitching. Defense doesn't matter. East Cobb might want to take a lesson from these teams. Sounds like they are missing the boat. At the older age groups they are considered the best in the country because they really focus on 2-3 core teams per age, and kids move in to play there.
I wonder if it is time for them to put together 1 team at each of the 12-15 age groups with a 300k budget like some of these super teams. The EC name does have nationwide recognition. It may only have 4-5 GA kids, but as an organization trying to keep nationwide recognition, they might have to do something like this.
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BGrazzini
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 18:26:28
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Originally posted by peashooter
bBall, I wasn't around. Sounds very much like Phenom type talent. Just bulldog your way to victory with insane bats and strong pitching. Defense doesn't matter. East Cobb might want to take a lesson from these teams. Sounds like they are missing the boat. At the older age groups they are considered the best in the country because they really focus on 2-3 core teams per age, and kids move in to play there.
I wonder if it is time for them to put together 1 team at each of the 12-15 age groups with a 300k budget like some of these super teams. The EC name does have nationwide recognition. It may only have 4-5 GA kids, but as an organization trying to keep nationwide recognition, they might have to do something like this.
Peashooter no offense meant by this but why in the heck would East Cobb ever want to do this until you get to the big field? East Cobb does it at 14 when its 60 90.
"Defense doesn't matter" ?? Why would you want your kid on a team when he is 12 years old that doesn't teach them how to play the game the right way.
Besides, the younger age groups are really run like franchises and East Cobb funnels the money up to their older teams. If one of these coaches had a truck load of money and wanted to fly 11 or 12 year olds in on private jets they are free to do so. Why hasn't it happened? Because most people think its ridiculous to do it for 9-12 year olds.
These older teams have produced 100's of college and pro players over the years. The program works just fine.
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in_the_know
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 18:44:11
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Originally posted by peashooter
I wonder if it is time for them to put together 1 team at each of the 12-15 age groups with a 300k budget like some of these super teams. The EC name does have nationwide recognition. It may only have 4-5 GA kids, but as an organization trying to keep nationwide recognition, they might have to do something like this.
Why? What's the point? What does national recognition get you at 12-15? Free entry into Chucky Cheese? Who was the last 12 year old player to sign a professional contract? Which 13 year old signed a full ride to a D-1 school?
And frankly, while these 12 year old teams may have national recognition, I would argue that they have little national respect. Of all the posts I've read about Phenom, 99% have been negative toward what, why and how they're doing it. At the end of the year, all they've proven is that they have a couple of parents that are good enough travel agents to ensure that the players can be assembled in the same town at the same time. They haven't really proven anything that would make me think my kid would be any better by playing for them. Nothing they've done better prepares him for the next level that can't be done right here with his own team. I'd say ECB has it right. Worry about getting kids national recognition when it matters. At 16 and up. |
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BballNut
73 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2012 : 22:24:06
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| This site proves just how irrelevant the powerhouse teams are and the skills of a 12U player or win records of the team. Just look at how few replies and new posts are made in the other age group discussions/forums starting at 13. The Bandits and Astros and several others are dominant nationally and have done it the right way. If winning at all costs was that important to ECB I'm sure ECB could easily have put together a stacked team years ago. Not only is there a lot of money that flows thru ECB, some parents would mortgage their kids just for the opportunity. I'll take ECB's recognition for doing it the way it does now vs the recognition some of the powerhouses. |
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titans
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 23:47:22
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| We played the Gators twice, Banditos and Grant in the TBS. We didn't face any of their #1 pitchers, but the ones we faced we're comparable to what we see against the top GA teams when they throw their 1-2 top pitchers. For sure, these elite teams do have a couple of shutdown pitchers that we don't see in GA - just throw gas with nasty curves. The defenses are very comparable to our top teams. They are just physically bigger and stronger throughout the lineup, which obviously happens when you have a much bigger talent pool and area to draw from. We were up on the Gators 7-6 in the 5th, but it was just a matter of time before they exploded on the small field - which they did when they scored 11 runs in the inning, almost all on the long ball. Very few pitchers in GA (the Braves have one that did it for most of the game) can limit the power the Gators have throughout their lineup (their #10 hitter had two homers in one game). The scores will be silly next week for their games in Cooperstown next week - I still can't believe they lost in week #2 when they scored only one run on those small fields. |
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GAFarmer
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 00:06:13
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Peashooter, no way ECB caves and does this at the younger level. They are doing things right. Remember next year 1 third of kids now at 12 will not be playing a year from now. From that half will quit within 2 years. The rest will filter via HS, Majors/Minors and the smart ones will attend college. ECB will never sacrifice youth fun as the reputation of ECB is more important than a parent wanting his or hor child to snap off a curve and win the TBS national championship.
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Originally posted by peashooter
bBall, I wasn't around. Sounds very much like Phenom type talent. Just bulldog your way to victory with insane bats and strong pitching. Defense doesn't matter. East Cobb might want to take a lesson from these teams. Sounds like they are missing the boat. At the older age groups they are considered the best in the country because they really focus on 2-3 core teams per age, and kids move in to play there.
I wonder if it is time for them to put together 1 team at each of the 12-15 age groups with a 300k budget like some of these super teams. The EC name does have nationwide recognition. It may only have 4-5 GA kids, but as an organization trying to keep nationwide recognition, they might have to do something like this.
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