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HeadFirst
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 Posted - 10/24/2012 : 16:24:04
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Wanted to ask how everyone thinks the GA teams will stack up against the out of state competition this year?
I said last year, I thought we in GA had the talent to spread out and that is why as a state we did not compete very well on a national level. The only team last year that really competed at all were the Astros.
What does everyone think will happen this year? Did we get any consolidation of talent, or is it still spread out? How many teams does everyone think we will have capable of competing at an elite level? |
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salu
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Posted - 10/24/2012 : 21:16:48
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| spread out. depends on who is pitching. |
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ItsGodGiven
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Posted - 10/25/2012 : 07:52:39
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| Game On Bulls have the size, speed, power, the arms, and COACHES to compete with anybody in GA or outside of GA. Scary good team. What was surprising was how well they played together without much practice. They will be fun to watch. Maybe the Astros, but havent seen them play. |
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baseballnutz
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Posted - 10/25/2012 : 10:29:36
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| It's funny to read everyone's take, Game On and maybe the Astros can compete outside of GA? Really? It's fall, they'll be plenty come spring. |
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aboutthekids
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Posted - 10/25/2012 : 10:44:16
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I see quite a few good teams blooming out of Ga. for this coming year. I agree that last year in the 11u we as a state didn't compete very well on the "elite" national level in the 11u age group but overall we didn't do badly.
Keep in mind the number of World Series tourneys that feature teams that didn't make the top tier at the TBS or Elite 32.
The Astros went into the TBS with a very weakened lineup at 11u. Two no shows from their everyday lineup and one other that could only DH due to an arm injury so who knows where they would have placed otherwise. (other teams could say the same I'm sure).
Last year Georgia teams as a whole didn't do badly at all when ranked against other states in the many other W.S. tourneys etc. etc. Caba, Triple Crown, Global, Grand Slam etc. etc. etc.
It's way to early to assume that the Bulls are going to be #1 or #4 or ??????. You know from past experiences that being on a team in the fall that does well (the past two or three falls or so) and using fall play to make a statement for the spring doesn't always pan out.
Those that have been around this for a number of years also know as much.
You never know until the spring who, what, where, how and why.
Although I like the topic I feel it's too early to start comparing teams from any region to another or even within the same region.
Good luck to you guys. I hope you represent Ga. well on a national level. It's too early to tell though.
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Originally posted by HeadFirst
Wanted to ask how everyone thinks the GA teams will stack up against the out of state competition this year?
I said last year, I thought we in GA had the talent to spread out and that is why as a state we did not compete very well on a national level. The only team last year that really competed at all were the Astros.
What does everyone think will happen this year? Did we get any consolidation of talent, or is it still spread out? How many teams does everyone think we will have capable of competing at an elite level?
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moccs
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Posted - 10/25/2012 : 13:37:10
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| I agree that it is way too early to discuss who will be able to compete inside or outside of Ga. I agree that our Game On Bulls team played well in the triple crown tournament. However, I have been around long enough to know that it is Fall and teams will be back to full strength in the spring. Likewise the Bulls will get one of their top pitchers back in the spring that was not available last tourney. Overall I think the 12u division will have plenty of talented teams and there should be some parity . |
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HardBaller
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Posted - 10/25/2012 : 22:01:52
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I think the dichotomy between fall and spring level of play over the last several years mainly centered around roster changes.
Many of us expected the 11u Astros to be dominating last year based on their fall roster; and they were, as long as they kept that roster in tack.
Other teams that fared well in the fall were not able to maintain their rosters into the spring and they sunk back during the regular season.
Game On Bulls looked to be playing with their spring roster now. And as was mentioned, in addition to being extremely talented, they are well coached.
I know it's prudent to be reserved and cautious when predicting spring performance levels, but guys, I think this level of talent and coaching adds up to a top ten team at worst and a top 1 or 2 team at best with the ability to compete well nationally.
Bottom line...Game-on got plenty of game and looks to have put this team together the right way.
Let's hope they keep headed in this positive, exemplary direction.
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Buckner
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Posted - 10/26/2012 : 08:38:20
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| Yes, positive and exemplary. Nice choice of words. The tops team should set good examples. I hope that we have a lot more tipping the hat to the other team and a lot less excuses this year. |
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spliter
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Posted - 10/26/2012 : 11:07:59
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| I think between the two big organizations of 643 and ECB you can bet they will put some good baseball teams on the field. This is only my opinion and not to make anybody mad. I have watched these teams during fall. I think the Courgars and Jags will be Major. Tigers played great and are a good team but should start off as AAA then go Major if they like. ECB Astro and Braves are Majors. Although the Astros did not play fall you can bet Coach Mike will be ready. How strong of a Major remains to be seen. The Braves have battle tested Majors on there team. They will compete. The rest are AAA sorry. Indians have struggle but each week are getting better. Yanks have the talent but not enough Major experience. If they reg. as AAA they can compete in any Major tourney but could win a WS in AAA. Dodgers while talented are not scoring enough runs and parents need to relax. Titans didnt play fall so will have to knock the rust off. |
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larryjr
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Posted - 10/26/2012 : 12:57:58
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Assuming Fall rosters hold in some cases and football players are back for others....who are you predicting to be best in GA in the Spring?
I see spliter just acknowledged 643 Cougs/Jags, ECB Astros/Braves. I have to believe Team Georgia (11U Alpharetta Warriors) are in the top) not to leave out many time acknowledged Game On Bulls.....who else?
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spliter
121 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2012 : 15:10:19
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| Still have to pick my favorites RBI, Savannah, Ringgold |
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SFDad
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Posted - 10/26/2012 : 16:26:58
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| I think all the teams listed should be very good teams like each and every year. Some teams to possibly keep an eye on just based on the coaching would be the Georgia Canes (Formerly Hurricanes)which from what I see have added 3 additional teams. Also one to watch for would be the Georgia Stars based out of Duluth, ran by some very good coaches and their older teams seem to compete each and every season....IMO |
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4bagger
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Posted - 10/29/2012 : 14:23:35
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| Hey, the WS just ended so lets start picking who will be best in MLB next October! Why not? Same exercise as what you are trying to do here......... |
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HardBaller
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Posted - 10/30/2012 : 08:33:47
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The 643 contingent has definitely upgraded their talent level and athleticism; although, there still may be a player or two that can be thrown out from CF or maybe LF.
The problem for the 643's and ECB squads is when playing Game-On-Bulls, RBF, RBI, Savannah, and Team GA is it will take a number 1 or number 1b type arm on the bump to hold them at bay and they haven't shown to have them yet deep into the bracket and rightly so, aren't willing to burn them in pool play.
So you play them in pool play, saving your best arms from bracket and they smash you. Then you meet them in bracket play and they already planted a seed in the minds of the players that they can't win having run-ruled you in pool play.
Now you're facing their Sunday pitcher, and they have plenty, and you have to use your best arm to try to stay close. If they get into your bullpen early, it's all over!
I hope somebody can step up but you have to ask after watching GoB run-rule everybody in every game last time, "who has the bats 1-12 to stay with them"?
Moreover, with every "run-rule" victory, they're saving pitching for a staff that's flat out loaded with arms.
The bottom line, it's going to take a couple of more consolidations of talent to stay with the 1 or 2 elite majors this year Game-On being one of them.
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Originally posted by spliter
I think between the two big organizations of 643 and ECB you can bet they will put some good baseball teams on the field. This is only my opinion and not to make anybody mad. I have watched these teams during fall. I think the Courgars and Jags will be Major. Tigers played great and are a good team but should start off as AAA then go Major if they like. ECB Astro and Braves are Majors. Although the Astros did not play fall you can bet Coach Mike will be ready. How strong of a Major remains to be seen. The Braves have battle tested Majors on there team. They will compete. The rest are AAA sorry. Indians have struggle but each week are getting better. Yanks have the talent but not enough Major experience. If they reg. as AAA they can compete in any Major tourney but could win a WS in AAA. Dodgers while talented are not scoring enough runs and parents need to relax. Titans didnt play fall so will have to knock the rust off.
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CobbYBB
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Posted - 10/30/2012 : 09:11:36
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The problem for the 643's and ECB squads is when playing Game-On-Bulls, RBF, RBI, Savannah, and Team GA is it will take a number 1 or number 1b type arm on the bump to hold them at bay and they haven't shown to have them yet deep into the bracket and rightly so, aren't willing to burn them in pool play.
So you play them in pool play, saving your best arms from bracket and they smash you. Then you meet them in bracket play and they already planted a seed in the minds of the players that they can't win having run-ruled you in pool play.
Now you're facing their Sunday pitcher, and they have plenty, and you have to use your best arm to try to stay close. If they get into your bullpen early, it's all over!
I hope somebody can step up but you have to ask after watching GoB run-rule everybody in every game last time, "who has the bats 1-12 to stay with them"?
Moreover, with every "run-rule" victory, they're saving pitching for a staff that's flat out loaded with arms.
The bottom line, it's going to take a couple of more consolidations of talent to stay with the 1 or 2 elite majors this year Game-On Bulls being one of them.
I still think there is more parity this year than people think. Heck, RBI (with a full roster) was lucky to tie a less experienced ECB team this weekend and was eliminated by a solid AAA team. I still think RBI is a top-5 team, but it shows that many teams will compete. It may take a perfect game or a dominant pitching performance, but I don't think these kind of upsets will be uncommon this year. I think bench depth will be more important this season than ever. |
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wareagle
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Posted - 10/30/2012 : 10:08:21
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Hardballer
Thanks for the kind words toward Game On. The boys certainly played well and had a great time in their first tournament. They did some things very well, and showed some areas that need to be worked on. As you said, I agree that the real strength of this team will be its' depth. Mix in some great coaching,and a group of boys with the desire to work hard, have fun and enjoy competing, and I believe they will have an outstanding year!
As always, there will be 4 or 5 teams that set themselves apart from the pack. At the end of the year I hope we are in that group, and I certainly think it is possible. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2012 : 10:22:39
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CobbYBB
According to the website, the AAA team that eliminated RBI used thier top pitcher for the entire game, and IMO he is capable of pitching for most of the Major teams. |
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CobbYBB
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Posted - 10/30/2012 : 13:44:01
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CobbYBB
According to the website, the AAA team that eliminated RBI used thier top pitcher for the entire game, and IMO he is capable of pitching for most of the Major teams.
That's what I mean. There will be surprises this year (which is probably a good thing). Makes the game much more exciting to watch. |
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aboutthekids
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Posted - 10/31/2012 : 09:11:41
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I am sure the Bulls are going to be fun to watch and will do very well. A fall tourney isn't the time to beat one's drum so to speak though, for any team. They have talent etc. etc. etc. I know 90% of the kids and my own has played with and against everyone of them as well for a few years now. Great group of kids with loads of talent.
Look, I enjoy a good chat as much as anyone and of course I enjoy a little hype as much as anyone also and even just like quite a few of you that do know most of the kids and with growth spurts coming, can see pure athleticism combined with pure skill from those that have and haven't hit their growth spurts yet. I don't and won't ever put my own (any of em') ahead of someone else. They all have to work for what they achieve and then work harder to keep it. I know what I see in him and in others and am the type that would bend over backwards to help others in certain areas if the situation presents itself.
Remind me (and I don't mean by pounding a drum down Main St. while shouting) in late March and then again in late May after some of these teams have played each other a few times. Then let's see what happens when you hit the national stage a few times against some of the better teams from across the U.S. in your division whether it be rec, AAA or Major etc. etc.
I hope for the state of Ga. that we have more than one or two teams shining brightly when the dust settles and believe that we will indeed do that.
I'm a fan of good baseball regardless of the team. My own son that is still playing at the younger level hasn't played in a fall tournament at all but we've come to the park to watch four tournaments so far and have seen some really good "fall" baseball. Nothing like we'll see from those same players in the spring though I'm sure.
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HeadFirst
203 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2012 : 11:24:42
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Several of the top teams have more or less stayed the same looking at the rosters...
Bulldogs, RBI, Team GA Red, WF DD
Other teams are a consolidation of major players from several teams...
Game On Bulls, Astros, Braves
A couple teams rosters not on USSSA yet...
6-4-3, Yard Dawgs
It will be interesting in the spring to see how it all shakes out!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby |
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Strategizer
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Posted - 10/31/2012 : 17:41:57
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Aboutthekids.... well said!
I'm all for making predictions and reasonable comments on this site. With that being said, lets try to keep everything in context.
As most of the 12U major coaches know-- most of the teams this Fall did not have their full teams intact or did they pitch their stronger pitchers more than 2/3 innings in a tournament. For most coaches the Fall season is about getting their old/new players some reps and seeing what looks good and what doesn't. After taking their mental notes, the coaches use that information to fine tune their team/players strengths and weaknesses during the winter.
I watched the The Game On Bulls play twice. They have a strong team (lots of talented boys), but I would not discount any of the 643 and ECB teams. I feel very comfortable in saying, at least a couple of the teams in both organizations will go very deep in Spring tournaments on Sundays.
I wish ALL of the 12U Major teams the best in 2013! I look forward to watching some great baseball!
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Originally posted by HardBaller
The 643 contingent has definitely upgraded their talent level and athleticism; although, there still may be a player or two that can be thrown out from CF or maybe LF.
The problem for the 643's and ECB squads is when playing Game-On-Bulls, RBF, RBI, Savannah, and Team GA is it will take a number 1 or number 1b type arm on the bump to hold them at bay and they haven't shown to have them yet deep into the bracket and rightly so, aren't willing to burn them in pool play.
So you play them in pool play, saving your best arms from bracket and they smash you. Then you meet them in bracket play and they already planted a seed in the minds of the players that they can't win having run-ruled you in pool play.
Now you're facing their Sunday pitcher, and they have plenty, and you have to use your best arm to try to stay close. If they get into your bullpen early, it's all over!
I hope somebody can step up but you have to ask after watching GoB run-rule everybody in every game last time, "who has the bats 1-12 to stay with them"?
Moreover, with every "run-rule" victory, they're saving pitching for a staff that's flat out loaded with arms.
The bottom line, it's going to take a couple of more consolidations of talent to stay with the 1 or 2 elite majors this year Game-On being one of them.
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Originally posted by spliter
I think between the two big organizations of 643 and ECB you can bet they will put some good baseball teams on the field. This is only my opinion and not to make anybody mad. I have watched these teams during fall. I think the Courgars and Jags will be Major. Tigers played great and are a good team but should start off as AAA then go Major if they like. ECB Astro and Braves are Majors. Although the Astros did not play fall you can bet Coach Mike will be ready. How strong of a Major remains to be seen. The Braves have battle tested Majors on there team. They will compete. The rest are AAA sorry. Indians have struggle but each week are getting better. Yanks have the talent but not enough Major experience. If they reg. as AAA they can compete in any Major tourney but could win a WS in AAA. Dodgers while talented are not scoring enough runs and parents need to relax. Titans didnt play fall so will have to knock the rust off.
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aboutthekids
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Posted - 10/31/2012 : 21:31:11
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I'm with you 100%. Can't wait to see all of em' in action.
I love this game and always have but have never lived it through my kids. I had my chance and enjoyed every minute of it.
I'm sure we'll see a lot of good things coming from quite a few good teams this coming season.
quote]Originally posted by Strategizer
Aboutthekids.... well said!
I'm all for making predictions and reasonable comments on this site. With that being said, lets try to keep everything in context.
As most of the 12U major coaches know-- most of the teams this Fall did not have their full teams intact or did they pitch their stronger pitchers more than 2/3 innings in a tournament. For most coaches the Fall season is about getting their old/new players some reps and seeing what looks good and what doesn't. After taking their mental notes, the coaches use that information to fine tune their team/players strengths and weaknesses during the winter.
I watched the The Game On Bulls play twice. They have a strong team (lots of talented boys), but I would not discount any of the 643 and ECB teams. I feel very comfortable in saying, at least a couple of the teams in both organizations will go very deep in Spring tournaments on Sundays.
I wish ALL of the 12U Major teams the best in 2013! I look forward to watching some great baseball!
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Originally posted by HardBaller
The 643 contingent has definitely upgraded their talent level and athleticism; although, there still may be a player or two that can be thrown out from CF or maybe LF.
The problem for the 643's and ECB squads is when playing Game-On-Bulls, RBF, RBI, Savannah, and Team GA is it will take a number 1 or number 1b type arm on the bump to hold them at bay and they haven't shown to have them yet deep into the bracket and rightly so, aren't willing to burn them in pool play.
So you play them in pool play, saving your best arms from bracket and they smash you. Then you meet them in bracket play and they already planted a seed in the minds of the players that they can't win having run-ruled you in pool play.
Now you're facing their Sunday pitcher, and they have plenty, and you have to use your best arm to try to stay close. If they get into your bullpen early, it's all over!
I hope somebody can step up but you have to ask after watching GoB run-rule everybody in every game last time, "who has the bats 1-12 to stay with them"?
Moreover, with every "run-rule" victory, they're saving pitching for a staff that's flat out loaded with arms.
The bottom line, it's going to take a couple of more consolidations of talent to stay with the 1 or 2 elite majors this year Game-On being one of them.
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Originally posted by spliter
I think between the two big organizations of 643 and ECB you can bet they will put some good baseball teams on the field. This is only my opinion and not to make anybody mad. I have watched these teams during fall. I think the Courgars and Jags will be Major. Tigers played great and are a good team but should start off as AAA then go Major if they like. ECB Astro and Braves are Majors. Although the Astros did not play fall you can bet Coach Mike will be ready. How strong of a Major remains to be seen. The Braves have battle tested Majors on there team. They will compete. The rest are AAA sorry. Indians have struggle but each week are getting better. Yanks have the talent but not enough Major experience. If they reg. as AAA they can compete in any Major tourney but could win a WS in AAA. Dodgers while talented are not scoring enough runs and parents need to relax. Titans didnt play fall so will have to knock the rust off.
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