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rjrousseau1
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 Posted - 10/12/2009 : 08:58:22
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| I am hearing that over 40 GA teams were put in the week of June 11-18, and for many it was their 3rd or 4th choice, even those with the grandfather letters. With that many GA teams entered in the same week it will be hard to avoid each other in pool play which is a shame because one of the biggest attractions of Cooperstown is playing teams from other states. Does anyone know how this happened? FL has historically put a lot of teams in the first few weeks as they are also out of school early. Did FL change their school year and the GA teams got the raw ened of the deal beacue Lou didn't have enough teams to fill the first 2 weeks of play? I would hope the GA teams are complaining so this does not happen in future years. |
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Mike Corbin
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 11:31:08
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How would you have heard about 40 teams from Georgia? I am not saying you havn't just curious.
If that is truly the case then I think that sucks! That would be yet another reason for teams to start considering NOT going to Cooperstown. Hopefully, that is not the case. |
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C. MORTON
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 13:30:03
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Well when you have every 12u team in America going what else would one expect?? All these teams going to Cooperstown and they all can't play when they would like..All the Ga teams start school around the same time..Since you don't have to qualify why complain...there is a good chance that most won't play each other till it counts..Most aren't going to win C.T. anyways... |
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Mike Corbin
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 14:13:31
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| After a phone call to Cooperstown, it looks like they currently have 14 teams from Georgia in week 2 as of right now. However, he could not put a hard number on it until the November 1 deposits come in. |
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rjrousseau1
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 14:27:37
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| thanks Mike, I was hoping that "40" was an exageration, 14 is certainly within reason |
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ronicard
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 14:57:27
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Originally posted by rjrousseau1
Does anyone know how this happened?
Did FL change their school year and the GA teams got the raw end of the deal beacue Lou didn't have enough teams to fill the first 2 weeks of play?
When we called to find out what week we received, they told us that every week already had a waiting list...all the way until the last few weeks of August and then the September weeks. So, I don't think it was an issue of not having enough teams to fill it out.
My suspicion is that most Georgia teams requested June dates. Since one of those weeks (week 3) is a 10-year old week, that only leaves 3 others (weeks beginning on Saturdays - 5th, 12th and 26th). Many also may have put in the July 3rd start date, but I have to imagine that one is also a very popular date.
I think this has less to do with a conspiracy than it does with the fact that Georgia traditionally sends a lot of teams.
I have heard that there are at least 2 of the teams from East Cobb that are not going. Unless what I hear is incorrect, the Astros and Colt .45s are not planning on going to Cooperstown. Has anyone else heard that?
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C. MORTON
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 16:32:41
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| The Astros won't be going for sure, I haven't heard about the 45's yet. |
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Learnpatience
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 17:33:13
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| From what I hear, that is correct. Neither the Astros nor the 45's are planning on going. I think the Braves plan on going? Kennesaw Xtreme and Hobgood Xtreme are a yes. Not sure about others. |
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rjrousseau1
81 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 08:17:15
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| What surprised us is we got our 3rd choice and we have a grandfather letter. Teams from our park had always received their top choice with the grandfather letter so to get the 3rd choice was a surprise. And both teams from our park got their 3rd choice this year. The week, although a bit early for my preference, was not as big an issue as the possibility of a week overloaded with GA teams as the #1 attraction to me is playing teams from a variety of states. |
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opie
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:17:03
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The word I recieved when I called a couple of weeks ago was there were well over 40 teams from Georgia coming......not all the same week.....but many had applied for the last week in June and they had to divide the teams up
We thought as a returning team with a grandfathered letter that we would receive our 1st choice as well........we recieved our third choice
They mentioned it was determined by grandfathered letter, the amount of teams requesting the week, and then the post date on their application
All said; I am sure we will avoid each other in pool play. |
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youthbaseball
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 19:22:24
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Do you really think you will avoid pool play against each other??? It is about money and having 2 teams each week compete for a insignificant tournament win. Having been there 3 times...its not the best vs. the best. It is who makes it out of pool play in the right bracket. Why don't we have one of these in GA? At least you play the same team you would play in NY in your own backyard for a lot less money. Don't get me wrong, the experience for the kids is awesome. They get a 5 day slumber party and get to see the Hall of Fame. But it's not about quality baseball. Can your kid hit it 200 ft or beat a rec team from NY????? Same difference, an out and yes......
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Originally posted by opie
The word I recieved when I called a couple of weeks ago was there were well over 40 teams from Georgia coming......not all the same week.....but many had applied for the last week in June and they had to divide the teams up
We thought as a returning team with a grandfathered letter that we would receive our 1st choice as well........we recieved our third choice
They mentioned it was determined by grandfathered letter, the amount of teams requesting the week, and then the post date on their application
All said; I am sure we will avoid each other in pool play.
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 09:54:04
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Originally posted by youthbaseball
It is about money and having 2 teams each week compete for a insignificant tournament win. Having been there 3 times...its not the best vs. the best. It is who makes it out of pool play in the right bracket.
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I can't speak for the 12u age group (yet) but for the 10's this is not an insignificant tournament win. If you win your way through the final 16 team bracket at 10u, you have played some very good baseball. Our team in particular had to play 4 of the top 25 teams in the country on the final day alone. Granted, during pool play, you can encounter some "all-star" type teams but once you make the top 16, those teams are long gone. |
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Shut Out
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 11:49:55
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Originally posted by jc1964
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Originally posted by youthbaseball
It is about money and having 2 teams each week compete for a insignificant tournament win. Having been there 3 times...its not the best vs. the best. It is who makes it out of pool play in the right bracket.
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I can't speak for the 12u age group (yet) but for the 10's this is not an insignificant tournament win. If you win your way through the final 16 team bracket at 10u, you have played some very good baseball. Our team in particular had to play 4 of the top 25 teams in the country on the final day alone. Granted, during pool play, you can encounter some "all-star" type teams but once you make the top 16, those teams are long gone.
With only one week of 10U this makes it a much more significant tournament. With the weekly tournaments at 12U and no seeding or play in format to determine which team plays which week. The 12U tournaments are more for the experience as the talent each week is a bit watered down. Don't get me wrong there is execellent talent every week but out of 100 teams each week for 12 weeks the overall talent is week compared to other major 12U national tournaments at this time of the summer. |
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Alter-Ego
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 16:28:12
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| I hate to hear the Astros and 45's are not going. I would hate for any kid from our park to miss out on the experience. While you can argue that it is not the greatest competition, top to bottom, the boys have a great time interacting with 100 other teams all week long. Just sayin..... |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 23:39:21
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| I agree!!! This is the last chance they will ever get to experience this. I went with my son at 10 and can't imagine not going at either 10 or 12. I know the 45's did not go at 10. They are missing out on an awesome experience! |
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SpeedKills
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Posted - 10/16/2009 : 12:35:21
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| I guess by now some of you still don't get that not everyone cares about Cooperstown..It won't make them any better and it won't make them any worse..It is a personal choice that most of the parents want and some coaches. This year it was a selling point to try and get players to come and play. The sad part is that just about every 12u team in the state is going just to go. PARENTS want to go more than the players lol...Disney would be more of a thing that one could say "I DID SOMETHING TO GET THERE" But it's not for everyone. There will be other things in life that they will remember. Other tournaments that THEY will think was better... |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 10/16/2009 : 17:55:02
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| "I guess by now some of you still don't get that not everyone cares about Cooperstown" That is fine. I thought this thread was for those who did care. My son will be going next summer with his 10U team. Why? To have a fun week of baseball, plaon and simple. |
Edited by - DecaturDad on 10/16/2009 21:17:39 |
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3sondad
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Posted - 10/16/2009 : 18:28:34
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Originally posted by SpeedKills
I guess by now some of you still don't get that not everyone cares about Cooperstown... The sad part is that just about every 12u team in the state is going just to go. PARENTS want to go more than the players lol...
It is a great experience for the kids. My oldest son stepped out of the car in downtown Cooperstown (this was before check-in and we just arrived in Cooperstown), he stood for a second on the curb and looked around and announced he was in heaven. He could spend a whole day in the Hall of Fame and not ask to leave. We spent about four days in downtown Cooperstown when the game schedule allowed. I promise you, there is no way in this world I could EVER want to go to Cooperstown more than my son. He is even looking forward to going back when/if his younger brothers attend C'town.
Not every kid's response has been or will be the same as his and I know many kids that have not gone and still have a great love for the game. My middle son is playing up on a 12U team that is not going to Cooperstown this year. I fully understand not wanting to spend the money.
On to the subject of 14 out of 96 teams being from GA, you might have to play one team from GA in pool play. There will most likely be 14 pools of 7 teams (six games) and I am sure they will try to separate the teams from the same state. We had 10 teams from GA the week we attended and I only know of one game being played between two GA teams the whole week (pool and bracket). |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 10/16/2009 : 21:06:11
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| SpeedKills, I totally disagree with you!! This is the tourney that the boys want to go to, especially if they didn't go at 10. There are a lot of boys very upset that their team has voted not to go and are looking to go with another team. Cooperstown is a BIG deal to ALL of these boys, don't kid yourself!! This is what most young boys have been waiting for!! |
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SpeedKills
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Posted - 10/17/2009 : 07:19:33
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knucklecurve, the average 12u player in Ga learns about cooperstown from other players saying we are going or their coaches. My son said all he knows about Cooperstown was it cost a lot of money..And the parents are the ones that want to go more than your average player. There are some players that want to go, but the average player just knows "WE are going to Cooperstown"
DDad, This is a Cooperstown topic lol nothing more.
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12uCoach
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Posted - 10/17/2009 : 11:14:29
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I have taken 4 12U teams to Cooperstown, and 2 10U teams, except for the kid who spent the week in the hospital, I don't know of one who didn't like the trip and wouldn't do it again. It is not just about CDP, it's about the Hall of Fame, and the memorabilia shops; the different lifestyle of a small town in upstate New York, and the camaraderie of their teammates. It is about talking to players’ years later about the time they played each other in Cooperstown.
A player from my 2001 team ended up at 16U playing on a team with some kids from the South Florida team that beat us in the finals.
I have watched what I thought were hard-hearted 12U kids melt when they get there, don't make it out to be just anpther tournament, it is much more than that. |
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lottapop
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Posted - 10/17/2009 : 13:16:47
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| Personally, i would rather go to the Elite 32....just has more meaning. IMO! Our team has decided to go to C Town.....I'll go, kicking and screaming. LOL |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 10/17/2009 : 13:47:19
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| SpeedKills, I still totally disagree with you! The boys do hear about it from boys who have gone and they are told how amazing it was! Travel baseball is very expensive that is why most teams fund raise. My sons ticket to Coopesrtown was nothing due to team fund raising. My family went too, but we drove and stayed in a reasonably priced place. This was no more expensive than a beach tourney. Our team voted on whether we should go or not, at the time I really didn't want to go, but in the end I am glad we did. I am sorry your sons experience was not good and that he was concerned about how much it cost. With that being said.....I really don't want to go again, but we chose to join a team that is going this year and my son is excited to go again. |
Edited by - knucklecurve on 10/17/2009 17:08:13 |
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C. MORTON
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Posted - 10/18/2009 : 11:58:07
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| All in all I think it would be a good tournament for the boys..It does run a lot more than a FL tournament, but you do get some ugly unis and a ring lol..Disney would be my first choice also..Anyways good luck to all those that go and for those that don't go have fun where ever you end the year.. |
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ronicard
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Posted - 10/20/2009 : 09:00:06
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It's not just another tournament.
Name me one other tournament that any of your kids have played in that had:
a) 102 teams in it
b) All the kids staying in barracks...separated from parents...and treated like the stars of the show the whole time they're there
c) A chance at playing in front of over 2,000 people in the final game of the tournament.
Look, there's no comparison between the level of competition every week at Cooperstown and the Elite 32. But, you can go to the Elite 32 every year for the next several years if your team is good enough. You can only go to Cooperstown at 12 (I'm excepting the one week of 10's). And, just so you know, almost every team that plays in the Elite 32 will also punch their "Cooperstown ticket".
My son was able to go with a 10-year old team and I was able to watch them play and win 2 games on Father's Day in the place where baseball originated. I remember standing around the grill at the house we were renting with several of the other families from our team and thinking that I had just experienced the greatest Father's Day I had ever had or probably ever will have....and knowing that my youngest son would always remember that day as well.
And, regarding cost, when we went at 10 years old, my out-of-pocket cost for the entire family (including the $800'ish for my son's registration) was less than what I spent last year to stay in a condo at Panama City for the end of the season world series.
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AllStar
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 09:44:09
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Other tournaments that THEY will think was better...
3 years later still waiting for that tournament. |
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