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turntwo
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 Posted - 05/27/2017 : 20:39:45
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As the season winds down and state on the horizon, who's your Top-10? I'll start:
Tribe Gold
Gamers
Kennesaw
Astros
Dodgers
Gainesville
Cell block
Titans Blue
South Forsyth
Gamers (Mitchell)
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dirtbagger
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Posted - 05/27/2017 : 21:03:21
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I'd love it if someone would actually take the time to look at each teams head to head in pool, bracket in TC, USSSA, PG and their Gamechanger pages. All have collectively proven to be the consistent cream de la crème of GA this season.
1. Gamers
2. Kennesaw
3. Gainesville
4. Cell Block
5-6. (Ttied)NI Dodgers/Tribe Gold
7-9. (Tied)EC Astros/SF Giants/Titans Blue
10. Gamers Mitchell
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2017 : 21:52:45
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Originally posted by dirtbagger
I'd love it if someone would actually take the time to look at each teams head to head in pool,...
Who takes pool play results seriously? (Other than at PG). That's amateur. |
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throwsgas
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Posted - 05/27/2017 : 22:17:25
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I think the top 5-7 are somewhat interchangeable depending on the draw of the tournament but I think consistently the middle of the group in the majors has been off on this forum all season. I have actually looked at Game Changer but more importantly seen the middle groups probably more than the top tier who have played SuperNIT's and 12U grouping most of the year. Here is my opinion.
1. Tribe Gold ( typically I would say Gamers but I agree with turntwo on this one )
2. Gamers
3. Kennesaw ( late season push )
4. Gainesville
5. Ninth Inning
6. Cell Block ( still think if they were playing more up here we would see them win some more tournaments )
7. Astros - would love to see them jump in USSSA State to see how they do with all teams being pretty equal with them. They have improved no doubt but I think a tough thing for them will be pitching in a bigger tourney..just my opinion.
8. Titans Black ( where everyone thinks Blue is better than BLACK I don't know.. Unless there is confusion on the colors. Black is 2-0 against them from what I see and they hit way better and have beaten better teams )
9. SF GIants
10. Vikings Elite & Elite Gamers Mitchell both can and do beat big teams
( notables - Smartense and Titans Blue ) - Smartense has the talent but the last few tournaments they are falling short more than one would think. Titans Blue is always solid but consistency in pitching depth is where they seem to struggle some late in tournaments. )
My 2 cents...
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2017 : 23:37:23
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Originally posted by throwsgas
I think the top 5-7 are somewhat interchangeable depending on the draw of the tournament but I think consistently the middle of the group in the majors has been off on this forum all season. I have actually looked at Game Changer but more importantly seen the middle groups probably more than the top tier who have played SuperNIT's and 12U grouping most of the year. Here is my opinion.
1. Tribe Gold ( typically I would say Gamers but I agree with turntwo on this one )
2. Gamers
3. Kennesaw ( late season push )
4. Gainesville
5. Ninth Inning
6. Cell Block ( still think if they were playing more up here we would see them win some more tournaments )
7. Astros - would love to see them jump in USSSA State to see how they do with all teams being pretty equal with them. They have improved no doubt but I think a tough thing for them will be pitching in a bigger tourney..just my opinion.
8. Titans Black ( where everyone thinks Blue is better than BLACK I don't know.. Unless there is confusion on the colors. Black is 2-0 against them from what I see and they hit way better and have beaten better teams )
9. SF GIants
10. Vikings Elite & Elite Gamers Mitchell both can and do beat big teams
( notables - Smartense and Titans Blue ) - Smartense has the talent but the last few tournaments they are falling short more than one would think. Titans Blue is always solid but consistency in pitching depth is where they seem to struggle some late in tournaments. )
My 2 cents...
You argument loses all validity when you mention Black and Vikings in a MAJOR ranking. We aren't talking AA/all-star N GA tourneys (no offense Vikings). A quick glimpse of the 'mid-major' and PG tourneys (since you mention "late season") would rule Black and Vikings out. |
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dirtbagger
27 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2017 : 17:02:08
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| Agree with you turn two...pool doesn't mean much 99% of time. Sorry throwsgas, I'm not being ugly but I honestly didn't even know Titans had 2 11u teams. I think that says everything you need to know about them. |
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GoState
42 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2017 : 22:12:51
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| Hey well you right the season is coming to an end and I will say the Tribe have earned it this year. They have played in 5 tournaments and won 4 and finished runner up to the Team Extreme in the other. The Tribe has beaten the Dodgers, East Cobb, Gainsville Braves, Go Nuts from Hawaii, Colorado Elite, and the Gamers in a early double header, back to back. I would love to see the Gamers, Tribe, Cell Block, K. Generals in a final four and then"Rank Em". But hats off to the Tribe way to pull it together!! |
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Idiotfest
30 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2017 : 10:20:48
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Let's all be honest, after the top 5 or 6, there's a BIG BIG drop off in consistency and what is even considered as a credible threat to the Top 5-6.
It's been that way for the past few years with this age group and even though every AAA team has an ace that can beat a major team - the top 5-6 still find a way to rise past the others on Sunday.
You could argue after the top 5-6 that the next 5-6 teams starting with the Astros in this ranking are just really good AAA teams. But then we wouldn't have a top 10....so take it for what's it worth. lol.
Even the pros - especially the NBA - have a big drop off after the top 5....
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ngaballdad
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Posted - 05/31/2017 : 11:27:35
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Originally posted by Idiotfest
Let's all be honest, after the top 5 or 6, there's a BIG BIG drop off in consistency and what is even considered as a credible threat to the Top 5-6.
It's been that way for the past few years with this age group and even though every AAA team has an ace that can beat a major team - the top 5-6 still find a way to rise past the others on Sunday.
You could argue after the top 5-6 that the next 5-6 teams starting with the Astros in this ranking are just really good AAA teams. But then we wouldn't have a top 10....so take it for what's it worth. lol.
Even the pros - especially the NBA - have a big drop off after the top 5....
My son plays on a good AAA team and we've played against some of the lower teams listed above. You're correct, huge drop off.Those teams we lost to barely squeaked by us, and we did beat one. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2017 : 16:22:40
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With the season all but wrapped up, I guess the rankings are pretty much final...
G-Ville
Cellblock
Gold
Gamers
Dodgers
Kennesaw
Astros
Gamers (Mitchell)
Titans Blue
SF
Gonna be interesting to see if there's any shake up, and who lands where. I guess the next round of posts will be in the 12U side. |
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dirtbagger
27 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2017 : 21:56:26
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It's unfortunate so many teams have been hit with key injury's limping out of the season. Gamers, NI Dodgers, SF. Gainesville, all have been hit.
This offseason will be interesting as some teams will fall wayside and others will get stronger (EC Astros) for their Cooperstown run! Guessing one if not two of these teams will not exist next year or will have significant shakeup, and the others will create more separation. Only TBS WS and a few destingation tournmanets left. good luck |
Edited by - dirtbagger on 06/13/2017 22:03:05 |
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Throwgas
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Posted - 06/13/2017 : 22:35:49
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Anyone notice how Turntwo leaves the Astros, Titans Blue, Gamers Mitchel and SF "in" the top 10 yet the final two State Tournaments DID NOT SEE the Astros and Gold. Both legit top teams but no real tests to see how they would have done against fairly equal competition. Titans Blue went 1-3 in Triple Crown State then no usssa State...SF 2-3 in TC although we know their players were hurt so I get that but still results not good. SF is a top 10 team in my opinion with all their weapons most likely but hard to judge how they would have finished due to their misfortune on the injuries. Hope they get better quick! But the others are not deserving of a final rankling if you look at RESULTS. If you are giving results on tough tournaments and you don't play EITHER STATE EVENT it's hard to take serious Turntwo's reasoning and therefore rankings. In fact it's "no longer a valid" opinion based on RESULTS!! Typically, just something to give a rise to everyone who disagrees with him I suppose.
That said, if you go with tallent and the entire spring season taken in to account then that is one way to look at it but if you go with the State as the two toughest weeks against equal competition other than National Events to include SuperNIT's as the best way to judge teams final run...you can't very well rank a team that only plays events that have 2-3 teams their equal and not all teams close to their ranking equal. Just my take. Not others maybe but doubtful those that don't see it this way ever played the sport.
Therefore....
1. Gamers
2. Gainesville
3. Cell Block ( tie )
3. Gold ( tie )
5. Kennesaw
6. Ninth Inning
7. Titans Black
8. Smartense
9. Astros
10. SF Giants (tie)
10. NYO Toros (tie)
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2017 : 11:40:38
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Originally posted by Throwgas
Anyone notice how Turntwo leaves the Astros, Titans Blue, Gamers Mitchel and SF "in" the top 10 yet the final two State Tournaments DID NOT SEE the Astros and Gold. Both legit top teams but no real tests to see how they would have done against fairly equal competition. Titans Blue went 1-3 in Triple Crown State then no usssa State...SF 2-3 in TC although we know their players were hurt so I get that but still results not good. SF is a top 10 team in my opinion with all their weapons most likely but hard to judge how they would have finished due to their misfortune on the injuries. Hope they get better quick! But the others are not deserving of a final rankling if you look at RESULTS. If you are giving results on tough tournaments and you don't play EITHER STATE EVENT it's hard to take serious Turntwo's reasoning and therefore rankings. In fact it's "no longer a valid" opinion based on RESULTS!! Typically, just something to give a rise to everyone who disagrees with him I suppose.
That said, if you go with tallent and the entire spring season taken in to account then that is one way to look at it but if you go with the State as the two toughest weeks against equal competition other than National Events to include SuperNIT's as the best way to judge teams final run...you can't very well rank a team that only plays events that have 2-3 teams their equal and not all teams close to their ranking equal. Just my take. Not others maybe but doubtful those that don't see it this way ever played the sport.
Therefore....
1. Gamers
2. Gainesville
3. Cell Block ( tie )
3. Gold ( tie )
5. Kennesaw
6. Ninth Inning
7. Titans Black
8. Smartense
9. Astros
10. SF Giants (tie)
10. NYO Toros (tie)
Glad I got a rise out of you. Here's the deal, the state has (fairly easily defined) a top 5-6 teams. Gamers, Gold, Kennesaw, Cellblock, G-Ville, and I guess, N.I.. BUT, how are you going to call out Blue, SF, and/or Astros, when Gold didn't play in EITHER state tourneys? Or Gamers only played in 1? Plus, you're throwing a rec all-star team in, ONLY because they played in one state? Come on man.
Maybe someone can do some research of where all the top 7-9 played-- see the level of competition week in and week out, and see their records. Maybe rule out 'non-quality' tourneys (and wins) if there wasn't at least 3 (?) top 6, 7, 8, 9 or however many teams in it? How about that?
That would be the 2 SNIT's, both states, a PG tourney or two, and then some T/C, TbS, GS, or TL tourneys (again would take a ton of research).
Otherwise, it's hard to quantify NYO being "top 10" when they have played in 1 "quality" tourney and their only notable win (or even quality tie) was against 643 Tigers. Same for Titans Black. 3 "quality" tourneys. 1 win over one of your top-10 teams (Smartense)...
Doesn't seem very quantitative. |
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Ba5e8allDad
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Posted - 06/14/2017 : 12:47:32
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"So in my opinion"
Gainesville doesn't belong as the #2 spot. They barely pulled out the win against Gamers Mitchell a few weeks ago. Now I will give it to them battling back and taking Cellblock out two games in a row to win. Titans Black just don't belong nor does Smartense, SF Giants, or NYO Toros. I don't even think there should be talk about anything other than top 5. Now this is not in any particular order, but here are the top 5 contenders.
1.Gamers
2.SDT Gold
3.Kennesaw
4.Cell Block
5.Dodgers
***Once again these are not in any particular order***
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Originally posted by turntwo
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Originally posted by Throwgas
Anyone notice how Turntwo leaves the Astros, Titans Blue, Gamers Mitchel and SF "in" the top 10 yet the final two State Tournaments DID NOT SEE the Astros and Gold. Both legit top teams but no real tests to see how they would have done against fairly equal competition. Titans Blue went 1-3 in Triple Crown State then no usssa State...SF 2-3 in TC although we know their players were hurt so I get that but still results not good. SF is a top 10 team in my opinion with all their weapons most likely but hard to judge how they would have finished due to their misfortune on the injuries. Hope they get better quick! But the others are not deserving of a final rankling if you look at RESULTS. If you are giving results on tough tournaments and you don't play EITHER STATE EVENT it's hard to take serious Turntwo's reasoning and therefore rankings. In fact it's "no longer a valid" opinion based on RESULTS!! Typically, just something to give a rise to everyone who disagrees with him I suppose.
That said, if you go with tallent and the entire spring season taken in to account then that is one way to look at it but if you go with the State as the two toughest weeks against equal competition other than National Events to include SuperNIT's as the best way to judge teams final run...you can't very well rank a team that only plays events that have 2-3 teams their equal and not all teams close to their ranking equal. Just my take. Not others maybe but doubtful those that don't see it this way ever played the sport.
Therefore....
1. Gamers
2. Gainesville
3. Cell Block ( tie )
3. Gold ( tie )
5. Kennesaw
6. Ninth Inning
7. Titans Black
8. Smartense
9. Astros
10. SF Giants (tie)
10. NYO Toros (tie)
Glad I got a rise out of you. Here's the deal, the state has (fairly easily defined) a top 5-6 teams. Gamers, Gold, Kennesaw, Cellblock, G-Ville, and I guess, N.I.. BUT, how are you going to call out Blue, SF, and/or Astros, when Gold didn't play in EITHER state tourneys? Or Gamers only played in 1? Plus, you're throwing a rec all-star team in, ONLY because they played in one state? Come on man.
Maybe someone can do some research of where all the top 7-9 played-- see the level of competition week in and week out, and see their records. Maybe rule out 'non-quality' tourneys (and wins) if there wasn't at least 3 (?) top 6, 7, 8, 9 or however many teams in it? How about that?
That would be the 2 SNIT's, both states, a PG tourney or two, and then some T/C, TbS, GS, or TL tourneys (again would take a ton of research).
Otherwise, it's hard to quantify NYO being "top 10" when they have played in 1 "quality" tourney and their only notable win (or even quality tie) was against 643 Tigers. Same for Titans Black. 3 "quality" tourneys. 1 win over one of your top-10 teams (Smartense)...
Doesn't seem very quantitative.
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Ba5e8allDad
130 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2017 : 12:50:41
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| The biggest thing that I love about this is all the ruffled feathers that people get over individuals opinions. Ga has some of the best talent in the nation and it would be scary to see what a team would look like if you took the top players from each team and placed them onto one or two teams. That would never happen just because of parental egos but it would be nice to see them all compete together, even if it was just for one tournament. |
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Throwgas
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Posted - 06/14/2017 : 14:05:40
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| Ba5e...no don't disagree with you on top five reasoning in the fact that 6-10 are a good way off from the consistency of the top few teams of course but if there is a top 10 there has to be opinion on who 6-10 might be. I don't throw personal shots out at a 11U team like some others do. It's just opinion any way and for fun. Why others have to list a team and say they are a rec team or all the other garbage about we didn't even know there was another team in that grouping from previous posts is beyond me. Why do that guys!!?? Theses are 11U boys and I know that coaches work their tails off trying to teach and you throw that bullcrap out on line. Lack of maturity in my opinion, I am sure if it was about your team or kid you would love that. Again, I agree the top 5-6 are well above the others but that is not what I thought we were looking for. The top 2 are likely at each age group well above 3-5 but the point was who would the top 10 be with where they finished. I don't care who is where just calling it the way I see on game changer and in person on the tournaments I have seen. Turn two says one thing and shows another in his ranking almost every time he does one. Calls a team a rec team that is SOLID and doesn't get as much play in the travel ball arena due to the way they choose the league play like Buckhead and NYO do. Then he list a team like Blue in the top 10, a solid team yes they are but not a top 10 IMO....if I recall correctLy earlier in the year he had EC Yankees and OTC up there too in earlier rankings as I recall in the year... But then slams teams that are solid and labels them as rec ball teams?? Don't get it. We just disagree and no harm in that I guess. Gainesville's effort this weekend was stellar!!! How you can't respect that and say their in the top five at this point in the season is beyond me. Another note, One thing I do see is the top teams barrowing players from each other and that is hard to understand. You can't very well look at pick up players as part of the base team. Not sure why some teams do this all the time and some don't EVER. Anyone have any opinion on this part of the game? Seems to be very common with certain programs and others don't touch it... Interesting subject. |
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Gameon17
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Posted - 06/15/2017 : 00:02:13
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| If all these dad's on here are the professional like they type with their opinion ...why they don't have a team and then let some coaches rank them or give their opinion an see where would they fall. Don't understand why these guy(grown men)always have so much to say....(ohhhh)Because their son is a Pick up kid who took the 11th spot Or even 12th spot on the team. Y'all never talk about how the game went,never speak on the error each team make or how you pay attention to other people kid and not yours. Please report about these tournament before y'all rank them so people can understand how some team are rank in your eyes if not you can't speak on any team and call it your opinion...Because some of you play AAA and AA if you got this much to say about the major division that mean your kid don't play major ball so you come watch us....yes I said us because seem like some of you don't belong.....if you let the coaches do their job,the kids do their part,why you can't sit back and be a proud dad for a kid who participate in any recreational event. |
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