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greglomax
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 Posted - 01/06/2009 : 15:47:15
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Biged,
What your talking about in $$$$ is not specific to EC but to particular teams. The amount of money required by EC itself is not really different from out of any other park. The individual teams may choose to do more but that is not the requirement of the park. I think we need to seperate the two.
What it appears that you are saying is you choose not to play on a team (whether at EC or out of any other park) with a bigger budget because you feel you can still play an aggressive Majors budget a little more economically, and don't really care about getting new helmets, bat bags, etc, every year.
I have no problem with that. I only have a problem with the implication that by default if you play on an East Cobb team, they are going to travel all over the country and cost you a lot of money, which is not true, across the board. Yes the Astros teams at the older age groups do travel further than the other teams but don't assume they do not have other revenue streams to take the burdeon off the parents.
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scottwill311
52 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2009 : 16:42:15
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| Oh boy, Lomax just opened up a big can of worms!Lets see where this goes!? |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2009 : 19:13:45
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What I love about playing at ECB (and we have played with the 8 yr old Then 9 yr old Rebels the last 2 years). Every time my son has stepped on the field he has gotten the opponents best! Their best pitching and effort, and I firmly believe that that in itself sharpens and hones your skills,teaches you what it means to really compete and have that drive that you get from being in the middle of it all the time.
When you are in the late rounds of every tourney against the best talent in the state and even the southeast most of the time, the game either passes you by or makes you better in every way.
I understand that kids this age may not stay because they are still growing and developing. But if your body does continue to develop like it needs to and your ability does to , This kind of preparation can be invaluable to a kid trying to make the line up on his High School team.And he has to be better prepared than say a kid who only played rec ball. There will always be exceptions of course but I feel that this trac is the best way for me to offer my Son the experience and training he needs to succeed when the time comes.
Can you have all this at other places? You sure can!No doubt about it!
Man have we had some awesome games and tourneys and A WHOLE LOT OF FUN!! :-) |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2009 : 20:30:49
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| Nothing like being around at the end of a tournament. My son's team last spring went 7 tournaments in a row either going to the semi's or finals in major/open events. Didn't win any of them, but we were around till the end. We were a non ECB team, but wound up playing ECB teams at several of them. I think my son is about as ready as he can get, in terms of competition up to this point, for HS tryouts next month. You're right 123, a lot of fun. |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2009 : 09:36:38
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scottwill311,
Which part do you consider the "Can of worms"? |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2009 : 19:10:11
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BMoser, having said all of this on these 55 some odd posts,,
Im with you and I want Ga. to have the absolute best teams in the country And there is no doubt we could ! and In case the right guys listening ;; we will play! ;-) |
Edited by - BBall123 on 01/08/2009 22:33:39 |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 00:43:23
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| You guys should put together the best 10U players and take them to Cooperstown later in the summer adn win that thing. That would be a lot of fun. |
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baseball99
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 09:51:39
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OK, then, who is going to put together the list of players????? Bmoser, you up for it? greglomax, you? Who is familiar enough with this age group to do this?
How about we start by having some of you guys post a list of the best 3 10u kids you know of? |
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C. MORTON
1051 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 11:12:45
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| That would be pretty nice is you got the BEST 15 pitchers at 10u that could play all positions on the field and go to Cooperstown!!!! that would shake up the town and probably start somthing new!!!!!!!!! |
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bball-fan
89 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 11:43:32
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| It is a neat idea, but if you do it one year, the next year, there will be one or two more, then the following year, there will be some 12 year olds also, and so on. If these "All-star" teams come in and dominate, pretty soon everyone will do it and it could eventually wean out the regular teams from attending. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 12:17:31
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I know who the best 3 Gwinnett players are, then I'd add in 2 Bandits, and 1 Stixx player. I don't think I'd get much of an argument over these from the folks who have seen them. I wont name names at this point, but after the Super NIT, if someone still needed me to, I would. In this group of 6 there are potentially 5 catchers, and 5 pitchers (all 62-68 mph with off speeds & accuracy). 2 have tremendous hitting power (250'+, 3 others have HR power (200'+), unsure about the 6th.
I'd vote the Bandits Coach to be on the Coaching staff, and 1 other Coach from this group of 6.
Are there clear cut choices from Forsyth, Cobb, and beyond, or would it take a brawl to agree on them?
I need the season to start so I can get out of this virtual baseball World.
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Originally posted by greglomax
You guys should put together the best 10U players and take them to Cooperstown later in the summer adn win that thing. That would be a lot of fun.
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bball2008
100 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:18:19
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| The only problem with that would be the number of parents ticked off that their little "johnny" did not get picked for the team and the blame game would ensue, feelings would be hurt, relationships broken. Just another day in the youth sports arena. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:29:20
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Yes it would ! No doubt with the talent here you could put together something specialquote:
Originally posted by C. MORTON
That would be pretty nice is you got the BEST 15 pitchers at 10u that could play all positions on the field and go to Cooperstown!!!! that would shake up the town and probably start somthing new!!!!!!!!!
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tombstone
30 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:35:26
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| sounds great ,but who is to say who the best kids are?you could put together 10 teams in this area from dalton to marietta and they could compete with any team in this country. |
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BROOKSTEAM
145 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 14:43:51
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I am the dad of a 10 year old from a tier 2 ECB team and we knew from the very beginning that we were not going to beat the top teams in the early stages. We have an amazing coach Chris Mielnicki who my son absolutely adores and to me is everything that is right about youth sports. The facilities we have to use are really great if just a bit further than some others for us, and yes it is more expensive than rec ball but I think worth every penny.
Now that all being said we just picked up a new player who most any 10 year old team would want and his dad came to us because of the ECB name so there is that also.
Lastly, I think that what I said above would be agreed upon by every parent on our team. We seem to be a group that will get along really well and strive to work together to make a great experience for our boys. I have seen and heard some parents at ECB that seem to have unrealistic expectations but for the most part we are all just looking for high end events/competition and our boys to do the best they can in these events. |
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dblinkh1
39 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 22:01:18
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| You can take the 15 best pitchers and I will take the best 15 hitters and I would have a better chance of winning it all at Cooperstown. Look at Little Leaque world series as an example. Pitching will get you to the finals but ultimately hitting wins it. Personally I would rather have a well rounded team but if I can only have either best pitchers or best batters I will take batters. |
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baseball99
89 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 23:31:57
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Originally posted by bball2008
The only problem with that would be the number of parents ticked off that their little "johnny" did not get picked for the team and the blame game would ensue, feelings would be hurt, relationships broken. Just another day in the youth sports arena.
This is no different than any other travel team !! |
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C. MORTON
1051 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 23:47:32
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| BBALL-FAN thats what the team that won it in 10u did last year...They had 15 kids and both teams were from South Fl..When you have to use you best pitching in every game after pool play you have to have tons of GOOD pitching to compete...Leon-Medical Center was the name of the team and they played 4 games on the final day of week #2 to win the Championship...Plus you have some of the BEST teams there that can afford it..And some that are just there to say they were there...SO it is already going on.... |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 18:02:41
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dblinkh1,
I will take the 10 best pitchers and let you have the 10 best hitters at Cooperstown. Playing there last year at 12U, I will argue that having the pitchers is the way to get to the Championship. |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 23:47:12
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| That is what we did as the 12U East Cobb Stallions, last year. Getting into the Championship with the 12 you started with the previous August is the best reward. |
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wildcats9596
110 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 09:32:05
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Originally posted by greglomax
dblinkh1,
I will take the 10 best pitchers and let you have the 10 best hitters at Cooperstown. Playing there last year at 12U, I will argue that having the pitchers is the way to get to the Championship.
Agree 100%. Although at 10U the best pitchers are often still the best hitters, so you should be able to get both.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Cooperstown would be the same experience if you didn't go with the same team you played with all season. |
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mommabee
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 22:50:55
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Originally posted by wildcats9596
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Originally posted by greglomax
dblinkh1,
I will take the 10 best pitchers and let you have the 10 best hitters at Cooperstown. Playing there last year at 12U, I will argue that having the pitchers is the way to get to the Championship.
Agree 100%. Although at 10U the best pitchers are often still the best hitters, so you should be able to get both.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Cooperstown would be the same experience if you didn't go with the same team you played with all season.
Mr Wildcats you arent wrong.
Our team took a reputation player to a Cooperstown week it caused problems with teh people who had been there all year and the player ended up being only 'reputation ' not perductive.
So we all wondered about afterthen why they did it anyway. It was not a good message.
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:08:06
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I would say it would be better to take 12 kids that had mostly not played together all year than taking just one player new to the team. Being away from home, away from your parents, with a team that has all played together during the season, it would be difficult to find your place and not feel like you have to overachieve every time because you were brought extra. Mommabee, I can see how that player could end up not being as productive as everyone had hoped. It is a tough situation.
Now if all 12 were from different teams, they would all being trying to make new friends and fit in without worrying about the cliques already being formed and feeling like they were taking someone's place.
At the older ages it is not uncommon for players to pick-up with a team to play for the weekend, or last half of the season, but at the younger ages (12 and below) that does not happen as much. That was always my concern about picking up and playing with a team for Cooperstown, Elite 24, or other National Tournaments. |
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BREAMKING
323 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:44:39
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| I would take the pitching. My old high school coach always said good pitching and defense and he would manufacture us some runs. And he won lots of games locally doing just that. |
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Hoyas Baseball
20 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 11:03:52
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To clarify some consistent misinformation about Leon Medical Center, the that won 10U week @ Cooperstown - The team was comprised of mostly Miami area residents. Three players were from the Tampa area and played with the team most of the season, except for AAU play. Two of those three boys played AAU ball with The Juice (AAU rep in the National Youth Baseball Championship). They had three players from Tomateros de California (National Youth Baseball Championship), but Cooperstown wasn't the first tourney they played with LMC. The Tomateros add-ons were primarily there for hitting and defense, alternate catcher and middle infield. The Tampa residents were there top pitchers, one beat San Diego Stars in the quarterfinal and Miami Playmakers in the final and the other beat GBC Team Acceleration in the semifinal. They were the best team with the best overall player at that age but IT WAS NOT AN ALL-STAR TEAM. Give them credit for putting it together, but also coaching the boys and managing the games, because they won a couple close games at Cooperstown.
After watching a lot of action at 10U week, I'd say you need bats and defense to win that tournament. You've need a couple boys who can take advantage of the 200' fences and put one or two out against good pitching. You also need speed at 10U because they play 70' bases. Pitching at 9U-11U is overrated because good teams hit good pitching. Defense is the biggest strength a team can have at these ages. |
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