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ec1
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 Posted - 08/10/2010 : 16:53:54
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a really good guy gets a win, and baseball in the area will be better for it. Nice work to Pralgo for not giving up--look forward to seeing the end product. quote:
Originally posted by baseball1
Peanuts - your final point of profits - to - be - made is irrelevant ; regardless of how much 643 is projected to profit or lose , their deal with the county is a total side issue ; this is an openly for profit venture, our country was based on capitalism (not socialism) , and as the article points out the county voluntarily advertised a Request For Proposal on the land some time ago -- they are publicly asking for revenue thus no one is holding a gun to their head at what terms that deal is finally arrived at .
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Originally posted by Peanutsr
Totally different situation. Once again East Cobb baseball is a non-profit Org that leases Mt Bethel fields for use. When no East Cobb event is taking place the fields are open for use by the public. East Side Baseball is a County youth baseball organization much like Sandy Plains, Powder Springs, Boundry Waters, Southwest, on and on and on, all youth non-profit baseball organizations. Also all playing on fields that are open to the public when not in use by those organizations.
643 is a private for profit business. They will have sole use of the fields with the ability to deny the public access up to and includeing having private citizens arrested for tresspassing.
Now look at the financials:
643 has aprox. 9 age groups. Average 80 kids per tryout at 80 dollars. Aprox $57K for tryouts. The max lease to be paid in a year is $30K.
Now take what, 16 to 18 teams with say an average of 11 kids per team. Cost to play for 643 estimate $!,600 per year.( which will be going to pay for tournaments supplies etc. theoretically no profit is made from these charges)
Ad Clinics Aprox $125. a pop for avg. 80 kids per age group. Est. around $80K
Ad tournaments, leaseing to org. like Triple Crown, U trip etc.
Ad private lessons by members of the coaching staff.
Quite a bit of money to be made by a private business off fields paid for by the taxpayers.
All this is irrelevant at this point because the deal has been finalized. Danny pulled off a sweetheart deal and proved that he is as shrewd a businessman as he is a gifted baseball coach. Without a doubt many kids will benifit as participants in the 6-4-3 baseball organization.
This still doesn't make it right.
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Originally posted by gasbag
I'm confused over all the "stir" this has created. Many public parks are leased by baseball organizations in Cobb / Marietta area. Mt. Bethel ( Roswell / JF ) is leased by ECB and Fuller's Park is leased by Eastside Baseball to name a few. Not sure of the specifics of the leases, but it's the same premise and certainly suggests "precedent". As long as the lease is fair and equitable to Cobb County taxpayers, what's the issue ?
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643mom5
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 08:15:35
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| I think this is great. Its a win win for the business in the area and for 643. Congrats to Danny and his team to working so hard on this project. We look forward to a great season of baseball. |
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LeftyBat
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 09:33:42
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Originally posted by 643mom5
I think this is great. Its a win win for the business in the area and for 643. Congrats to Danny and his team to working so hard on this project. We look forward to a great season of baseball.
I wish someone over toward this side of the world would talk a city or county government into dropping 600k of taxpayer money to spruce up a baseball complex for a private baseball organization in our neck of the woods so that we could have ECB or 643 East.....
Lots of quality players in Forsyth and Gwinnet who would love to see a premier facility built around a top flight program on this side of the metro area...
Personally I don't think that Denny did anything wrong. Just played within the rules that were laid out. All these whiners about tax dollars being spent need to look in the mirror. The real culprit here is the taxpayers who voted for the politicians who decided they had nothing better to do with 600k of money other people earned than provide a subsidy for a private business. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 10:07:24
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| How much would it change the discussion if 643 filed for non-profit status? |
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bmoser
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 10:27:54
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LeftyBat:
There is a group trying to get a premiere facility off the ground at I-85 just East of Chateau Elan. Its called Signature Park. They have bought the land, and made some improvements (enough for 1 or 2 practice fields), but seem to lack funding to move forward in this economy.
I think a location just off 400 in North Forsyth would work too. Land is still affordable there. Near Hwy's 306 or 369 for easy East-West access. There are tons of empty hotel rooms every F,Sat,Sun along the 400 corridor in Alpharetta for travel ball players to use.
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bat man
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 10:30:46
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| I personally hope they are a huge success and give ECB a little competition---hopefully then, ECB will clean up the bathrooms and get the scoreboards to work!!! |
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ItsjustLLBBall
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 11:14:09
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| I have a feeling that it will be nothing shy of a first class facility. Congrats to Danny and good luck.... |
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jongamefan
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 11:18:57
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Lefty , as a Gwinnettian I can tell you this Sig PArk development is further along than most persons know .
It will be a few more years and what we hear is yes the funding is an issue.
But it will happen .
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Originally posted by bmoser
LeftyBat:
There is a group trying to get a premiere facility off the ground at I-85 just East of Chateau Elan. Its called Signature Park. They have bought the land, and made some improvements (enough for 1 or 2 practice fields), but seem to lack funding to move forward in this economy.
I think a location just off 400 in North Forsyth would work too. Land is still affordable there. Near Hwy's 306 or 369 for easy East-West access. There are tons of empty hotel rooms every F,Sat,Sun along the 400 corridor in Alpharetta for travel ball players to use.
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LeftyBat
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 11:19:26
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Originally posted by bmoser
LeftyBat:
There is a group trying to get a premiere facility off the ground at I-85 just East of Chateau Elan. Its called Signature Park. They have bought the land, and made some improvements (enough for 1 or 2 practice fields), but seem to lack funding to move forward in this economy.
I think a location just off 400 in North Forsyth would work too. Land is still affordable there. Near Hwy's 306 or 369 for easy East-West access. There are tons of empty hotel rooms every F,Sat,Sun along the 400 corridor in Alpharetta for travel ball players to use.
Yes I heard about that, considered taking my son over there this last year. You are right about the GA 400 corridor. Tons of talent in the local area, good coaching with no place to go... |
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Shut Out
512 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 15:27:13
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| happy for the 643 guys. Howeve the money is already watering down the level of competition just like it did @ ECB. The top couple of teams are fantastic but after that it looks to be more about the green than the team. A 3rd 12U team a second 11U team for a program just going into its 4th year may be stretching it a bit. I will hope for the best for you guys but would hate to see it get like ECB where they will let any dad whose kid can't make another team start a team to add to the watered down travel ball as it is. Is there really anything wrong with telling your kid he should enjoy rec ball work on his own to improve then try and make a team next year? |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 08:25:20
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| My understanding is there were 220 kids at the 12u 643 tryout. I would say that is plenty to choose 3 teams from. None of 643 coaches are dad coaches. There were 65 kids at the 17 & 18 tryouts. My understanding is 80% of them were for the 17 team. From the talent I saw, they could have made 2 exceptional 17u teams. However, they are not because they do not have the quality coach they need for that yet. I think these guys are doing things the right way. JMHO. We'll see how it turns out in the long run. |
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AllStar
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 09:01:03
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Originally posted by Shut Out
Is there really anything wrong with telling your kid he should enjoy rec ball work on his own to improve then try and make a team next year?
Not at all. That is a great answer. However, at the park my son played at between 10 and 11 19 of the top 20 players left rec for travel. It eventually built back up, but that 11YO year was pretty lean for rec. |
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baseballready
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 11:38:56
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Originally posted by bballman
My understanding is there were 220 kids at the 12u 643 tryout. I would say that is plenty to choose 3 teams from. None of 643 coaches are dad coaches. There were 65 kids at the 17 & 18 tryouts. My understanding is 80% of them were for the 17 team. From the talent I saw, they could have made 2 exceptional 17u teams. However, they are not because they do not have the quality coach they need for that yet. I think these guys are doing things the right way. JMHO. We'll see how it turns out in the long run.
Not accurate to say none of the coaches are dad coaches, unless pure coincidence that 643 owner/12U manager/player all have the same last name. |
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bkball
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 16:24:41
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Originally posted by bballman
My understanding is there were 220 kids at the 12u 643 tryout. I would say that is plenty to choose 3 teams from. None of 643 coaches are dad coaches. There were 65 kids at the 17 & 18 tryouts. My understanding is 80% of them were for the 17 team. From the talent I saw, they could have made 2 exceptional 17u teams. However, they are not because they do not have the quality coach they need for that yet. I think these guys are doing things the right way. JMHO. We'll see how it turns out in the long run.
More like 120 not 220. |
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touchemall
145 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 17:17:17
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| Every team up thru 13U has a dad on the staff. 12U had 4 last year I believe. But Danny is very picky about who he lets out there. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 17:29:06
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| Some said 6-4-3's 2nd 11u team would be weak before they ever played their first game, yet the Jaguars wound up a top 10 team. Recently, 120 kids show up for 33 spots for the 3 12u teams, and they keep adding quality teams at every age group. Then there's the 6-4-3 DP Academy Park that seems within reach. 6-4-3 has a tremendous amount of momentum. |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 17:35:43
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Originally posted by bkball
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Originally posted by bballman
My understanding is there were 220 kids at the 12u 643 tryout. I would say that is plenty to choose 3 teams from. None of 643 coaches are dad coaches. There were 65 kids at the 17 & 18 tryouts. My understanding is 80% of them were for the 17 team. From the talent I saw, they could have made 2 exceptional 17u teams. However, they are not because they do not have the quality coach they need for that yet. I think these guys are doing things the right way. JMHO. We'll see how it turns out in the long run.
More like 120 not 220.
I thought I had heard 220. I wasn't there, so I am probably. Still, 120 trying out to pick 42. I would imagine they could get some pretty good kids out of that group. I know in the 17 & 18 group, out of 65 kids they could easily put more than one team per age group together with the talent. Tons of very good ball players showed up. |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 17:40:23
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Originally posted by baseballready
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Originally posted by bballman
My understanding is there were 220 kids at the 12u 643 tryout. I would say that is plenty to choose 3 teams from. None of 643 coaches are dad coaches. There were 65 kids at the 17 & 18 tryouts. My understanding is 80% of them were for the 17 team. From the talent I saw, they could have made 2 exceptional 17u teams. However, they are not because they do not have the quality coach they need for that yet. I think these guys are doing things the right way. JMHO. We'll see how it turns out in the long run.
Not accurate to say none of the coaches are dad coaches, unless pure coincidence that 643 owner/12U manager/player all have the same last name.
You're right. I noticed that after I posted this as well. Still a lot of teams without dad coaching. |
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coach0512
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 20:21:08
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When were the 643 tryouts vs the EC tryouts?
I wonder if any of those at 643 went there in case they don't make an EC team?
How many were there to get in a practice eval before the EC evals?
I don't know any of these answers but I am curious if there is a sentiment out there that if you don't make an EC team then you can "fall back" on 643.
I personally think 643 has a heck of a program and stands on its own merits, but whats the feeling at large? |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 22:02:04
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| 643 tryouts and commitments were before ECB tryouts. It's more like try out for 643 and if you don't make it, tryout for ECB. I'm sure they planned it that way. But I don't think the 643 tryouts were for ECB rejects. Of course, as talked about in other posts, most ECB teams are decided before tryouts. Most teams just looking for maybe a couple of guys. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 22:06:08
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| 643 tryouts were all completed before the ECB tryouts. Most of their teams were already finalized before the ECB tryouts. Nothing to "fall-back" to at 643 if you don't land your ECB choice. |
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Shut Out
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 22:54:56
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| After seeing the 3 12U rosters I am very impressed. I was at the 12U tryout and there were maybe 90 kids max but that doesn't count the 30 or so that may have had something on the side. As to Dad coaches. I don't see it as a problem as long as the kid can play and the dad can separate and coach. I belive the head coach of the Jags has a kid on the team. The coach of the jags has no kids. DP may have a kid on the team which is never a problem. i was just questioning how many teams he is growing so fast comparing to ECB. When i look at ECB having 6-9 teams at the 12U age group it gets a little obvious its about money. Hopefully 643 will stay with their strength. |
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touchemall
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 23:08:26
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| 643 did most of theirs three weeks before ECB so I would say it is the other way around. And bballman, MOST of 643's teams have dads involved. Dads with baseball backgrounds and Danny's trust to mentor them as he would. Has to be that way because Danny and his professional coaches spend a majority of their time with the 15 to 18U teams once HS season is over trying to get them ready for the next level. |
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643mom5
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Posted - 08/13/2010 : 08:24:50
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| The 643 9u-12u was on July 12 which was before EC. |
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643mom5
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Posted - 08/13/2010 : 08:27:03
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| There are Dads as head coachs for 643, however Danny and picks his coachs very carefully. |
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this could be more fields for cobb county
